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Posted By: Miguel ChavezDate: 10/27/11 8:34 p.m.

In Response To: Finally got caught up watching RvB (Ibeechu)


: Last time I watched RvB was when season 5 ended. After that, I felt like RvB
: had run its course and so I wasn't that interested in the new stuff. But
: months ago DHalo said I should catch up, but I still wasn't that
: interested. But all this stuff in this thread made me want to see what it
: was all about, so for the last few days I marathonned through season 6 up
: to the latest episode.

: Now, I really, really liked Season 6. It had a different feel to the previous
: seasons, but I loved how the story was told, and all the twists and
: whatnot. I also really liked Season 7. Then in Season 8, the first time
: they introduced CG, that really threw me off. But I was willing to be open
: to it. And I ended up quite liking Season 8 as well. But there was a lot
: of cognitive dissonance to see these characters doing movements that they
: had never done in the last 8 years or whatever. But whatever. They were
: trying new stuff, and it was cool to see Monty Oum again. But, still, it
: was very jarring. But, by the end of Season 8, I had really, really,
: really started to like it again.

: Then I started on Season 9. Two episodes in, I was so bemused that I had to
: stop for the night. Church and friends were all memories, and this
: side-plot was all CG. As I watched the action scenes, I kept thinking,
: "Am I really watching Red vs Blue?"

: But DHalo urged me to just give it a shot. So I did, and the CG aside, I
: started to enjoy it again.

: Then I saw the latest episode. And now I'm torn. In principle, I'm not
: opposed to the CG. But now it really is getting to the point where there
: seems to be a big action scene just for the sake of it. And I do like
: Monty's choreography, but when it's all big-action-all-the-time, it gets
: boring. The action lacks quiet moments to let things breath. Instead, it
: just hits every single beat, which removes chances for texture. And,
: especially in this episode, his camerawork has gotten to be annoying as
: hell. I'm sick of the fast camera moves, and the time ramping ala 300 .
: And I've talked about my hatred of mocap enough recently, so I won't rant
: about it here. Suffice it to say that the characters don't move with
: distinct character, and there's too much jigglyness that's inherent in
: mocap. I'm sure that's one of the things that made the action scenes so
: dissonant in the first place. The motion is too real (but not believable),
: especially when placed next to the 8 years of RvB's characters'
: hand-animation.

: Cliffs: - When the actions is CONSTANTLY at the highest level, it gets boring
: very, very fast. Having moments to let the action and the audience breathe
: is necessary to maintaining interest. It gives a great contrast to the big
: over-the-top stuff.
: - I'm not against CG at all in RvB. But I am against it when it's noticeable.
: Whenever I notice bad mocap, or a distracting camera move, then it's bad.
: - I'm not just being nostalgic for RvB's minimalism. I think any new way to
: tell their stories can be good. But they should always respect what RvB
: is. I've never associated choreographed action sequences with RvB. Now it
: feels like that stuff is just being thrown in wherever possible to give
: Monty Oum something to do.
: - Dear Rooster Teeth, hire me as an animation consultant

also, think back to these days of yore... soak it in... hi-emotions conveyed with minimalist movement. Music and color and *organic* camera placement can carry very heavy emotions forward. Some of the *strongest* RvB moments are when the soldiers are just standing still, and YOU inject what you're feeling into them.

I don't hate on RvB, I respect their attempt at changing things up... I just don't think this has worked for me much. My emotions can't lie. Intellectually I can think it's super-awesome, but the heart says differently.

- M


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New RvB - prepare your pantsmattroe 10/24/11 8:58 p.m.
     Re: New RvB - prepare your pantsEchoes 10/24/11 9:14 p.m.
           Re: New RvB - prepare your pantsmattroe 10/24/11 9:30 p.m.
                 Re: New RvB - prepare your pantsEchoes 10/24/11 10:00 p.m.
                       Re: New RvB - prepare your pantsmattroe 10/24/11 10:16 p.m.
                             Re: New RvB - prepare your pantsmattroe 10/24/11 10:17 p.m.
           Re: New RvB - prepare your pantsFoolsRun 10/24/11 9:32 p.m.
                 Re: New RvB - prepare your pantsLurono 10/25/11 12:10 a.m.
           Re: New RvB - prepare your pantsArchilen 10/25/11 1:07 a.m.
           Re: New RvB - prepare your pantsThe Loot 10/25/11 2:39 a.m.
     Derp!mattroe 10/24/11 9:31 p.m.
           F1R$7! *SP* *IMG*MoltenSlowa 10/24/11 9:47 p.m.
     Re: New RvB - prepare your pants *SP*Jaydee 10/24/11 10:01 p.m.
     thank god im not the only onenillapuddin 10/24/11 11:24 p.m.
           Re: thank god im not the only onedavidfuchs 10/25/11 7:59 a.m.
                 Re: thank god im not the only oneRagashingo 10/25/11 8:22 a.m.
     Response to CGI-Haters.UnrealCh13f 10/25/11 11:27 a.m.
           Re: Response to CGI-Haters.Archilen 10/25/11 12:32 p.m.
           CGI=good. BS CGI WTF BBQ=badddddddddnillapuddin 10/25/11 3:19 p.m.
                 So RvB should just die altogether?UnrealCh13f 10/25/11 4:37 p.m.
                       Re: So RvB should just die altogether?Obsydian 10/25/11 9:36 p.m.
                             Re: So RvB should just die altogether?DHalo 10/28/11 12:36 p.m.
           I like CGI...Vandle Valsher 10/25/11 4:23 p.m.
     Sorry, but... RvB has ALWAYS been over the top.mattroe 10/25/11 6:21 p.m.
           your not understanding the point friendnillapuddin 10/25/11 6:32 p.m.
                 Re: your not understanding the point friendLouis Wu 10/25/11 6:42 p.m.
                       +1 *NM*UnrealCh13f 10/25/11 6:45 p.m.
                 Re: your not understanding the point friendThe Loot 10/25/11 7:01 p.m.
                       Re: your not understanding the point friendmattroe 10/25/11 7:47 p.m.
                             Re: your not understanding the point friendThe Loot 10/25/11 8:07 p.m.
                       This is BEFORE RvB.UnrealCh13f 10/25/11 7:52 p.m.
                             It is before AND after RvB!MoltenSlowa 10/25/11 9:22 p.m.
                                   Re: It is before AND after RvB!The Loot 10/25/11 10:01 p.m.
           Re: Sorry, but... RvB has ALWAYS been over the topLurono 10/25/11 10:58 p.m.
                 Re: Sorry, but... RvB has ALWAYS been over the topThe Loot 10/26/11 2:57 a.m.
                       Re: Sorry, but... RvB has ALWAYS been over the topmattroe 10/26/11 6:09 a.m.
                             Beat me again *NM*Lurono 10/27/11 12:47 a.m.
     One random thing I would like to point out.UnrealCh13f 10/26/11 2:09 a.m.
           One other random thing *IMG*MoltenSlowa 10/26/11 7:26 a.m.
                 CGI Oh MY!katancik 10/26/11 1:17 p.m.
     Finally got caught up watching RvBIbeechu 10/27/11 7:48 p.m.
           +1Miguel Chavez 10/27/11 8:34 p.m.
           Re: Finally got caught up watching RvBsharpsniper99 10/28/11 8:54 a.m.
                 Re: Finally got caught up watching RvBDHalo 10/28/11 9:27 a.m.
           Re: Finally got caught up watching RvBmattroe 10/29/11 5:46 p.m.



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