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Finally got caught up watching RvB
Posted By: IbeechuDate: 10/27/11 7:48 p.m.

In Response To: New RvB - prepare your pants (mattroe)


Last time I watched RvB was when season 5 ended. After that, I felt like RvB had run its course and so I wasn't that interested in the new stuff. But months ago DHalo said I should catch up, but I still wasn't that interested. But all this stuff in this thread made me want to see what it was all about, so for the last few days I marathonned through season 6 up to the latest episode.

Now, I really, really liked Season 6. It had a different feel to the previous seasons, but I loved how the story was told, and all the twists and whatnot. I also really liked Season 7. Then in Season 8, the first time they introduced CG, that really threw me off. But I was willing to be open to it. And I ended up quite liking Season 8 as well. But there was a lot of cognitive dissonance to see these characters doing movements that they had never done in the last 8 years or whatever. But whatever. They were trying new stuff, and it was cool to see Monty Oum again. But, still, it was very jarring. But, by the end of Season 8, I had really, really, really started to like it again.

Then I started on Season 9. Two episodes in, I was so bemused that I had to stop for the night. Church and friends were all memories, and this side-plot was all CG. As I watched the action scenes, I kept thinking, "Am I really watching Red vs Blue?"

But DHalo urged me to just give it a shot. So I did, and the CG aside, I started to enjoy it again.

Then I saw the latest episode. And now I'm torn. In principle, I'm not opposed to the CG. But now it really is getting to the point where there seems to be a big action scene just for the sake of it. And I do like Monty's choreography, but when it's all big-action-all-the-time, it gets boring. The action lacks quiet moments to let things breath. Instead, it just hits every single beat, which removes chances for texture. And, especially in this episode, his camerawork has gotten to be annoying as hell. I'm sick of the fast camera moves, and the time ramping ala 300. And I've talked about my hatred of mocap enough recently, so I won't rant about it here. Suffice it to say that the characters don't move with distinct character, and there's too much jigglyness that's inherent in mocap. I'm sure that's one of the things that made the action scenes so dissonant in the first place. The motion is too real (but not believable), especially when placed next to the 8 years of RvB's characters' hand-animation.

Cliffs:
- When the actions is CONSTANTLY at the highest level, it gets boring very, very fast. Having moments to let the action and the audience breathe is necessary to maintaining interest. It gives a great contrast to the big over-the-top stuff.
- I'm not against CG at all in RvB. But I am against it when it's noticeable. Whenever I notice bad mocap, or a distracting camera move, then it's bad.
- I'm not just being nostalgic for RvB's minimalism. I think any new way to tell their stories can be good. But they should always respect what RvB is. I've never associated choreographed action sequences with RvB. Now it feels like that stuff is just being thrown in wherever possible to give Monty Oum something to do.
- Dear Rooster Teeth, hire me as an animation consultant


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New RvB - prepare your pantsmattroe 10/24/11 8:58 p.m.
     Re: New RvB - prepare your pantsEchoes 10/24/11 9:14 p.m.
           Re: New RvB - prepare your pantsmattroe 10/24/11 9:30 p.m.
                 Re: New RvB - prepare your pantsEchoes 10/24/11 10:00 p.m.
                       Re: New RvB - prepare your pantsmattroe 10/24/11 10:16 p.m.
                             Re: New RvB - prepare your pantsmattroe 10/24/11 10:17 p.m.
           Re: New RvB - prepare your pantsFoolsRun 10/24/11 9:32 p.m.
                 Re: New RvB - prepare your pantsLurono 10/25/11 12:10 a.m.
           Re: New RvB - prepare your pantsArchilen 10/25/11 1:07 a.m.
           Re: New RvB - prepare your pantsThe Loot 10/25/11 2:39 a.m.
     Derp!mattroe 10/24/11 9:31 p.m.
           F1R$7! *SP* *IMG*MoltenSlowa 10/24/11 9:47 p.m.
     Re: New RvB - prepare your pants *SP*Jaydee 10/24/11 10:01 p.m.
     thank god im not the only onenillapuddin 10/24/11 11:24 p.m.
           Re: thank god im not the only onedavidfuchs 10/25/11 7:59 a.m.
                 Re: thank god im not the only oneRagashingo 10/25/11 8:22 a.m.
     Response to CGI-Haters.UnrealCh13f 10/25/11 11:27 a.m.
           Re: Response to CGI-Haters.Archilen 10/25/11 12:32 p.m.
           CGI=good. BS CGI WTF BBQ=badddddddddnillapuddin 10/25/11 3:19 p.m.
                 So RvB should just die altogether?UnrealCh13f 10/25/11 4:37 p.m.
                       Re: So RvB should just die altogether?Obsydian 10/25/11 9:36 p.m.
                             Re: So RvB should just die altogether?DHalo 10/28/11 12:36 p.m.
           I like CGI...Vandle Valsher 10/25/11 4:23 p.m.
     Sorry, but... RvB has ALWAYS been over the top.mattroe 10/25/11 6:21 p.m.
           your not understanding the point friendnillapuddin 10/25/11 6:32 p.m.
                 Re: your not understanding the point friendLouis Wu 10/25/11 6:42 p.m.
                       +1 *NM*UnrealCh13f 10/25/11 6:45 p.m.
                 Re: your not understanding the point friendThe Loot 10/25/11 7:01 p.m.
                       Re: your not understanding the point friendmattroe 10/25/11 7:47 p.m.
                             Re: your not understanding the point friendThe Loot 10/25/11 8:07 p.m.
                       This is BEFORE RvB.UnrealCh13f 10/25/11 7:52 p.m.
                             It is before AND after RvB!MoltenSlowa 10/25/11 9:22 p.m.
                                   Re: It is before AND after RvB!The Loot 10/25/11 10:01 p.m.
           Re: Sorry, but... RvB has ALWAYS been over the topLurono 10/25/11 10:58 p.m.
                 Re: Sorry, but... RvB has ALWAYS been over the topThe Loot 10/26/11 2:57 a.m.
                       Re: Sorry, but... RvB has ALWAYS been over the topmattroe 10/26/11 6:09 a.m.
                             Beat me again *NM*Lurono 10/27/11 12:47 a.m.
     One random thing I would like to point out.UnrealCh13f 10/26/11 2:09 a.m.
           One other random thing *IMG*MoltenSlowa 10/26/11 7:26 a.m.
                 CGI Oh MY!katancik 10/26/11 1:17 p.m.
     Finally got caught up watching RvBIbeechu 10/27/11 7:48 p.m.
           +1Miguel Chavez 10/27/11 8:34 p.m.
           Re: Finally got caught up watching RvBsharpsniper99 10/28/11 8:54 a.m.
                 Re: Finally got caught up watching RvBDHalo 10/28/11 9:27 a.m.
           Re: Finally got caught up watching RvBmattroe 10/29/11 5:46 p.m.



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