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Re: a sad day indeed...
Posted By: Narcogen <narcogen@rampancy.net>	Date: 9/25/01 7:06 a.m.
In Response To: Re: a sad day indeed... (Dan Rudolph) : What? That doesn't make sense? How could not having bots make multiplayer : better when you wouldn't have had to us them if they were available. More : likely, Bungie decided the improvement to the game wouldn't be enough to : justify the expenditure of labor/time to add bots. I think it's an open question how much time that would be. Consider that at this point, Halo does have AI in it that exhibits at least two distinct behaviors: supporting the player and attacking him. These behaviors are associated with different models: Covenant models attack, human models support. The simplest, dirtiest way to add bots would be to have the behaviors that control Covenant models use a human model. Some changes would likely be necessary to adjust for the different weapons used. Certainly that's only be the simplest way, but given what we're heard about 10-minute duels between J. Jones and Cov Elites, it would probably work. Given that at launch, the Xbox will have no online capabilities... and that the PC version, assuming it does have such, is at the least, months away... and that there's no confirmation that the current version of Halo can or will be "patched" in any way in order to allow it to use Microsoft's online gaming system when it does launch... then the situation is this: You can play Halo solo. You can play it against up to 16 players on 4 Xboxes that are physically copresent. That's it. If Halo were to be viewed as primarily a solo game, then this makes sense. But the many multiplayer modes mentioned suggest otherwise; all of which, it seems to me, would be enhanced by providing computer-controlled opponents for players who don't have other people to play with. And the effort required to provide that-- at least in a way on a par with how Quake and Unreal do-- seems rather minimal. I think the reason for the absence of bots in the Xbox version of Halo is a legitimate and open question, and insufficient resources doesn't seem like a likely answer.... --Narcogen

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Hey Matt, or Louis	cubanB	9/23/01 8:02 p.m.
Matt!	vector40	9/23/01 9:06 p.m.
Re: Matt!	hob	9/23/01 10:44 p.m.
Re: Matt!	vector40	9/23/01 11:12 p.m.
Re: Matt!	beef	9/24/01 3:17 a.m.
Re: Matt!	vector40	9/24/01 7:12 p.m.
Re: Matt!	hob	9/23/01 10:51 p.m.
Re: Matt!	cubanB	9/23/01 11:45 p.m.
Re: Matt!	Skeletor	9/24/01 12:57 a.m.
Re: Matt!	Psyrixx	9/24/01 2:09 a.m.
Re: Matt!	vector40	9/24/01 7:13 p.m.
Re: Matt!	Psyrixx	9/24/01 7:29 p.m.
Re: Matt!	Louis Wu	9/24/01 7:39 p.m.
Re: Matt!	vector40	9/24/01 10:37 p.m.
Re: Matt!	SniperBob700	9/24/01 3:24 p.m.
Re: Matt!	Speaker-To-Animals	9/24/01 11:25 a.m.
Re: Matt!	RAZORBACK	9/24/01 1:35 p.m.
Re: Hey Matt, or Louis	beef	9/24/01 3:27 a.m.
No Bots *NM*	Matt	9/24/01 3:54 p.m.
Re: No Bots	RAZORBACK	9/24/01 4:04 p.m.
You're kidding, right?	Fuolornis Fire Dragon	9/24/01 4:19 p.m.
I feel depressed	St. Killer	9/24/01 4:25 p.m.
Read my response to fire dragon. *NM*	*Ar-Isildur of *WP*	9/24/01 6:11 p.m.
Re: You're kidding, right?	*Ar-Isildur of *WP*	9/24/01 6:10 p.m.
When?	Pfhor	9/24/01 6:13 p.m.
Re: When?	*Ar-Isildur of *WP*	9/24/01 6:21 p.m.
Re: When?	Fuolornis Fire Dragon	9/24/01 9:35 p.m.
Re: When?	*Ar-Isildur of *WP*	9/24/01 11:38 p.m.
Re: You're kidding, right?	Dead Glory	9/25/01 1:37 a.m.
Re: You're kidding, right?	Fuolornis Fire Dragon	9/25/01 4:20 p.m.
a sad day indeed...	op_ivy	9/24/01 7:14 p.m.
Re: a sad day indeed...	vector40	9/24/01 7:17 p.m.
Re: a sad day indeed...	op_ivy	9/24/01 7:20 p.m.
Re: a sad day indeed...	Psyrixx	9/24/01 7:23 p.m.
Re: a sad day indeed...	brendan	9/24/01 8:07 p.m.
Re: a sad day indeed...	*Ar-Isildur of *WP*	9/24/01 8:30 p.m.
Re: a sad day indeed...	Skeletor	9/24/01 9:22 p.m.
Re: a sad day indeed...	jamman	9/24/01 9:57 p.m.
Re: a sad day indeed...	=NAV=Shadow	9/24/01 11:14 p.m.
Re: a sad day indeed...	KilerCris	9/25/01 1:48 a.m.
Re: a sad day indeed...	Mr. Temper	9/25/01 8:35 a.m.
Re: a sad day indeed...	RAZORBACK	9/25/01 9:40 a.m.
Re: a sad day indeed...	-ctr-	9/25/01 12:15 p.m.
Re: a sad day indeed...	vector40	9/25/01 7:18 p.m.
Re: a sad day indeed...	Dan Rudolph	9/25/01 3:40 a.m.
Re: a sad day indeed...	Narcogen	9/25/01 7:06 a.m.
Re: a sad day indeed...	Dan Rudolph	9/25/01 12:25 p.m.
Re: a sad day indeed...	Ferrex (Microserf)	9/25/01 1:31 p.m.
QED *NM*	vector40	9/25/01 7:23 p.m.
Re: QED	Louis Wu	9/25/01 7:30 p.m.
Re: QED	vector40	9/25/01 7:41 p.m.
Re: QED	Lophan	9/26/01 8:06 a.m.
Re: QED	Louis Wu	9/26/01 10:06 a.m.
Re: a sad day indeed...	KilerCris	9/26/01 7:55 p.m.
Re: a sad day indeed...	vector40	9/25/01 7:20 p.m.
Uhhh.... there IS a single-player game, you know. *NM*	JCC	9/25/01 11:39 a.m.
Re: No Bots	Xmagic2002	9/24/01 11:19 p.m.
Re: No Bots	*Ar-Isildur of *WP*	9/24/01 11:30 p.m.
Re: No Bots	Xmagic2002	9/24/01 11:40 p.m.
Re: No Bots	*Ar-Isildur of *WP*	9/24/01 11:50 p.m.
Re: No Bots	Narcogen	9/25/01 7:32 a.m.
Re: No Bots	vector40	9/25/01 7:39 p.m.
Cute. :) *NM*	Louis Wu	9/25/01 8:08 p.m.
Re: No Bots	vector40	9/25/01 7:24 p.m.
Re: No Bots	Narcogen	9/25/01 7:17 a.m.
Good point. *NM*	*Ar-Isildur of *WP*	9/25/01 8:49 a.m.
Re: No Bots	snatcheroo	9/26/01 4:03 a.m.
Re: No Bots	Bob the Shoe	9/25/01 12:43 a.m.
Re: No Bots	*Ar-Isildur of *WP*	9/25/01 1:22 a.m.
Re: No Bots	Arch Angel	9/25/01 7:39 a.m.
No Bots?	DeAdLy_cOoKiE	9/25/01 1:56 p.m.
Remember me?	epollyon	9/25/01 5:13 p.m.
Why?	Matt	9/25/01 5:55 p.m.
Re: Why?	vector40	9/25/01 7:45 p.m.
Single Player?	Narcogen	9/25/01 11:46 p.m.
Re: Single Player?	vector40	9/25/01 11:52 p.m.
Re: Single Player?	{mAc}Dark_Eagle	9/26/01 3:04 a.m.
Re: Single Player?	Louis Wu	9/26/01 10:08 a.m.
But the design has changed!	Nitpicker	9/26/01 7:47 p.m.
Bots in PC version...?	Bluskale	9/25/01 5:24 p.m.
(don't bug, it's paraphrased)	vector40	9/25/01 7:43 p.m.
Re: No Bots *NM*	krister	9/25/01 7:53 p.m.
This thread has grown much too large. >:( *NM*	*Ar-Isildur of *WP*	9/26/01 1:32 p.m.
Re: .......ok *NM*	RAZORBACK	9/26/01 2:28 p.m.