In Response To: Bentllama, I stole your idea! (LietLives)
: Okay, first off I like very much the idea of boats and nautical combat for
: Halo. Although it does seem a little strange to bring boats when you're
: attacking from space, it makes as much sense as land-based transport
: craft, if you think about it. Being on the water would require less energy
: for the hover systems, I would think, and allow you to make a vehicle that
: can take more punishment than an aircraft. Using boats would also allow
: for quicker transport of really large artillery than you get on land. Even
: though the Wraith uses a hover field, it still moves really slow. A boat
: of similar size and purpose would probably be much faster.
They don't just "attack from space," you know. Invasion requires specialized vehicles. This would include water.
: Having said that, I'm gonna use bentllama's post as an excuse to argue that
: your boat design, while I like it, doesn't fit the basic idea of a
: Covenant vehicle.
*rolls up his sleeves*
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*rolls them back down because he's only wearting a short-sleeve T*
: The design of the "cockpit" has a two-Elite, side-by-side seating
: arrangement. This is different than any of the Covie vehicles in Halo,
: which are opperated by a single individual. The cutscene at the end of T&R
: even suggests that the dropships have only a single pilot. If I remember
: correctly, both the Shadow and the new ground transport in Halo 2 look
: like they have a single pilot. If you raised the windshield on the pilot
: side of the boat to protect him a bit, though, I think it could work well
: on a UNSC craft.
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That's the concept art for the Shadow, which should be appearing in Halo 2. Note the seating arrangement. ;)
: The gun looks good to me. I think a Shade gun's floating seat makes more
: sense for a vehicle that could be used by both Grunts and Elite, but I
: keep reading in posts that the Shadow isn't going to use the Shade seat,
: and since the boat would only be used by Spartans in multiplayer, the gun
: you have is fine. The only thing that troubles me is how someone would get
: to the gun from outside the vehicle. The sides and back of the craft look
: too high, althought that is probably just because your model isn't sitting
: in water, and going over the front doesn't look viable, especially if
: you're in a hurry.
Ever climbed into a boat from a dock before? That's exactly what it is- climbing. Besides, We're talking about 8 foot tall bunches of muscle and anger, here. An elite would have NO trouble getting into this boat.
: The fact that your boat sits fully in the water is okay, but doesn't feel
: like a Covenant craft to me. Covie vehicles hover, and it seems to me that
: any boat they make would incorporate that into the suspension and
: propulsion.
Even a hovercraft touches the water from time to time. You were wrong about your idea in the first paragraph that hovering over water would take less energy than over land. Over land, when you push against the earth, it resists, and pushes back at you. Over water, you actually scatter water away from you because it is not strong enough to resist the force of your push. In order to compensate, current hover technology uses a rubber lip to both decrease the surface area to which the air is being pushed increase the focus of the air. Essentially, it requires more power to keep yourself afloat.
However, I can't argue against hover as a proper design for a covenant craft, as there's no craft in the Covenant armada that doesn't.
: Well, now that I have been so brutally honest about what I think of you're
: boat, I have three ideas of my own about what would help make a good Covie
: boat. Of course, bentllama gets some of the credit along with Wraith, but
: mostly I do, since I'm just so great. This isn't a total description of a
: boat, just some elements which I think could be part of a really cool
: vehicle.
: I'll start with the pilot. All Covie vehicles provide some cover from the
: front for the driver, and I think total protection from the front and
: sides would be a good idea. Whether the pilot would be vulnerable from
: above and behind would have to be carefully considered and balanced, but
: seems like the best bet to me. So sitting in the cockpit would probably
: resemble sitting in a Ghost, with sides high enough to shield the pilot,
: but open to the back and probably the top for easy access.
See: Shadow. =)
The ghost doesn't really cover a person a lot, either. From the front they're fine, but from the sides, they're wide open.
: For carrying capacity, I think either two or four people would be the way to
: go. Obviouly you need a pilot and a gunner. I think two passengers facing
: sideways would be better than one facing forward. If you went with just
: the two crew members, no passengers, giving the pilot a pair of plasma
: cannons like those on the Ghost could be neat, especially if the gun on
: the back has a slow rate of fire like the Shade, or the gun is replaced
: with a mounted FRG.
3 works. Again, with the Shadow. Further, it's an answer to the Warthog, which seats 3. The passenger can simply shoot their own weapon.
: Now, when I first started imagining what a Covie boat would look like, I
: though of a catamaran design. The cockpit would be in the front, the gun
: near the back, the passengers, if any, could sit on either side, and the
: hoverfield generators could be underneath the cockpit and gunners station,
: but out of the water. It would look cool, have a low profile, but still
: ride high out of the water for speed. I figure this idea would be really
: cool for a transport ship or a boat version of a Wraith, with a big plasma
: mortar on the back.
I've never ridden a catamaran with a low profile, and I've used them to go island hopping of the coast of southeast Alaska. ;) The idea behind a catamaran is a combination of speed and stability. However, they're not the most maneuverable ships and would be a poor choice for war.
: After thinking for a while, I wondered if pontoons might be cooler. The
: cockpit would be right in front of the gun, the hoverfield generators
: would still be right underneath both, but two pontoons would be connected
: to the rest of the ship be angled struts, somewhat like a Banshee on the
: water. Passengers could sit on the pontoons if you wanted to make it that
: way, or they might be too thin for that.
Guh, no. ;)
: I was getting anamored of the idea of pontoons on angled struts when I read
: bentllama's post about hydroplanes, and lightning struck. What if, instead
: of pontoons off to the sides, or hydrofoils beneath a normal, single hull,
: you put two or four hydrofoils on angled struts off to the sides!! With a
: cockpit and gun as the main part of the boat, the hoverfield generators
: would sit underneath and provide forward propulsion and boyancy. The boat
: would sit low in the water when there was no pilot in it, just like a
: Ghost, with the hydrofoil support struts and hoverfield generators
: actually under the water! When a pilot got into the cockpit, the boat
: would rise just enough to bring the generators above the water, and as you
: built up forward speed, the hydrofoils would lift the boat higher and
: higher, until they were the only part of the boat submerged. I couldn't
: get over what I cool idea it was, whether from its own merit or the fact
: that some pancake-obsessed Canadian inspired it, I can hardly say.
You should talk less and design more. MAKE IT! =) I'm curious to see if you could make a feasible ship from this.
: Okay, so those are my critiques of Wraith's boat and my own ideas for one, or
: indeed more than one. I welcome questions and comments, of course, and if
: anyone out there uses any of my ideas as inspiration for a boat design of
: their own, I would love to see it.
: LietLives: indescribably disturbed that bentllama could influence his thought
: process in any way.
bentllama's all about influencing thought.
Er, I'm sorry, what I meant to say was bentllama's always under the influence.
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