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	Re: Jjaro Terminals in non-dream levels?
	Posted By: Ernie	Date: 7/29/02 4:32 p.m.
	In Response To: Re: Jjaro Terminals in non-dream levels? (Steve Levinson) Thanks for the response Steve. I always look forward to reading your, Mark, and Scott's(regarding insight into Rubicon) posts in any thread. I believe I will take write terminal messages in the form of communication ment for non-Jjaro readers. (Just a side question: If the Jjaro would have left very simplistic messages like the NASA-type ones you brought up... how did they send a English Speaking Jjaro Hologram to Earth in PiD... back in 1994?) For any who have read the Fan fic. my scenario is based upon 'Where Monsters Are in Dreams', they may remember the main conflict: Durandal, in whatever timeline you the reader decides the story takes place in, wants Jjaro technology for himself. Not a big supprise. Durandals always been wanting for himself, while denying other the same prize. The jjaro, through dreams to the Marine, are urging him to take his destiny into his own hands by choosing the path that will deny Durandal, the UESC/UESG, and Pfhor access to the Jjaro's advanced technology, and other information. The question I am wondering now... is this: Why would the Jjaro not want anyone (Durandal, the UESG/UESC, the Pfhor) to get access to this data? Perhapse, because they know, just as a parent would know how their child would act if they got a new toy, [while their other children didn't] that their technology would throw off the balance. The Jjaro are obessed with Balance, arn't they? A cosmic sort of multi-leveled Yin-Yang. Back to the terminals ment for outsiders. I think that the Jjaro, having left this galaxy by progressing up the ladder of oranics->augmented organics->to a major change of uploading their minds/soul/essences/ into machines (hence 'Rise of the Spiritual Machine' I mentioned) would want to impart infornation to whoever found it. Information regarding this change, and any downfalls of what may be instore. Ah, I'm at an impass... should I have the Jjaro want to impart information to some, while denying it from others, or want to protect their information from all to maintain some sense of cosmic balance? A happy medium could be that the Jjaro wanted the information to be for a very select few, (i.e: the Marine/player) while keeping it from the other groups (durandal,the humans, the pfhor) who would throw the balance out of wack. The reason the Jjaro didn't erase all their data banks may indeed have been for the Marines benifit, or others like him when they found it. Just a little train of thought. Please, let me know what holes there are in my reasoning. They exist, I'm sure. Thanks again to everyone who posts. -Ernie : Ernie, I think that that would be an excellet place to start. Although : Durandal referred to Thoth as a S'pht AI, everything points to him being : Jjaro in origin. When the Jjaro speak to us in our dreams, they speak in : metaphore. It is never clear whether they are pulling events out of our : pre-cybernetic life (God, I hope not!), or if the story is a fabrication. : In any case, the use of metaphore may be in part because we are dreaming : and in part because they are trying to bring themselves down to a level we : can understand. After all, they disappeared from the galaxy thousands of : years ago and their conversation, if you could call it that, is likely : beyond our comprehension. : Thoth is a good start - he is an ancient AI and probably was developed at a : time when the Jjaro were simpler and easier to comprehend. He was also : designed to work with the S'pht, who were much simpler in their pre-Pfhor : days. In fact, it has been suggested and I would concur that the S'pht : were not that technically advanced when they encountered the Pfhor. The : S'pht we know should have been better able to defend themselves. : One key element for you in designing your terminals is whether these : terminals were meant for internal communication of the Jjaro with each : other, or with outsiders like ourselves. If they were for communication : with each other, expect them to be very direct and to the point, but to : discuss things for which we have no comprehension. The fact that this is : an ancient Jjaro outpost helps you in that they would not be expected to : be so sophisticated then, but they would still use a terminology that is : alien to us. Think in terms of an alien accessing an earth kiosk today and : you'll get the picture. : If the Jjaor terminals are designed to communicate with outsiders, then : expect something more cryptic and simple. For example, when NASA wanted to : design a means of communicating with an alien culture who might find our : first space probe that was expected to leave our solor system (I think it : was the first Voyager probe, which was sent to Jupitor), they recorded : greetings from people on earth in dozens of languages. They used very : elemental graphics to explain how to play the disc containing the : messages, and included a host of other sounds from earth, including the : sound of a humpback whale. For your Jjaro terminals, you might consider an : amalgam of sights and sounds that don't convey a message so much as they : attempt to convey who they are. : In terms of symbolism - the S'pht terminals are, I think, pure S'pht. The : symbols represent the evolution of S'ht symbols and their written language : over thousands of years. There is nothing similar in Thoth's terminals : which, to me, indicates that the Jjaro did not use these symbols. I would : certainly use a login symbol similar to Thoth's, and consider symbols much : less elaborate than those used by the S'pht. : Good luck with your Scenario!

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Replies:

	Jjaro Terminals in non-dream levels?	Ernie	7/28/02 10:25 a.m.
	Re: Jjaro Terminals in non-dream levels?	Scifiteki	7/28/02 4:50 p.m.
	Re: Jjaro Terminals in non-dream levels?	Ernie	7/29/02 12:10 a.m.
	Re: Jjaro Terminals in non-dream levels?	Steve Levinson	7/29/02 1:08 a.m.
	Re: Jjaro Terminals in non-dream levels?	Ernie	7/29/02 4:32 p.m.
	Re: Jjaro Terminals in non-dream levels?	Steve Levinson	7/29/02 5:42 p.m.
	Re: Jjaro Terminals - one more thought	Steve Levinson	7/29/02 9:26 p.m.
	Very interesting stuff Steve...	Ernie	7/30/02 2:31 p.m.
	Re: Very interesting stuff Steve...	Steve Levinson	7/30/02 3:23 p.m.
	Re: Very interesting stuff Steve...	Mark Levin	7/30/02 8:18 p.m.
	Re: Very interesting stuff Steve...	Steve Levinson	7/30/02 8:32 p.m.

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