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Re: The politics/philosphy of mapping
Posted By: RyokoTKDate: 8/16/06 2:18 p.m.

In Response To: Re: The politics/philosphy of mapping (Aaron Sikes)

: How important is this to other people?

Oh, man... *pre-emptively prepares flame shield*

The idea that games should exist to send some kind of message utterly floors me. That's why they're games and not movies: they're meant to be enjoyed by the player. That's why, to me, Rubicon failed. Chris spent too much time and energy making his maps look great and fitting -- and they do -- but he totally forgot about how fucking annoying it is to be lost in maps like his for hours on end.

When I make maps, the first thing that I concern myself with is enjoyment. Is this a fun map? If I don't have fun playing the map, it fails. If my testers say they don't have fun playing the map, then it's probably not a bad map. I do believe myself to be an intelligent and capable mapper, and definitely experienced enough to recognize the difference between good and bad by sight -- but nobody is infallible, and a mapper's "perfect vision" could just be retarded. If nobody has fun playing your levels, then they're probably not going to trudge through them just to actually see and enjoy your vision.

Honestly, to me it's a shame that the Marathon community is so forgiving with the lack of entertainment in maps, just because there aren't any. Even Doom's community -- a game just as easy to map for as Marathon -- is much more harsh with the quality and entertainment in their maps, preferring ones that are fun rather than ones that look nice.

Don't misinterpret me, though; it's not like I sell myself out. It's just that, if the level isn't fun, why play it? I'd rather watch a Rubicon movie than play the game.

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The politics/philosphy of mappingAaron Sikes 8/16/06 7:00 a.m.
     Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingBlake37 8/16/06 7:46 a.m.
           Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingAaron Sikes 8/16/06 12:49 p.m.
                 Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingForrest of B.org 8/16/06 2:17 p.m.
                       Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingAaron Sikes 8/16/06 6:39 p.m.
                             Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingForrest of B.org 8/17/06 9:29 a.m.
                                   Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingAaron Sikes 8/17/06 10:00 a.m.
                                         Ditto *NM*Steve Levinson 8/17/06 6:44 p.m.
                 Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingRyokoTK 8/16/06 2:18 p.m.
                       Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingBlake37 8/16/06 2:24 p.m.
                             Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingRyokoTK 8/16/06 3:19 p.m.
                                   Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingAdam Ashwell 8/16/06 3:47 p.m.
                                         Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingRyokoTK 8/16/06 3:53 p.m.
                                               Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingAaron Sikes 8/16/06 5:36 p.m.
                                                     Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingSteve Levinson 8/17/06 6:50 p.m.
                                                           *restarts older save game* ;) *NM*Aaron Sikes 8/18/06 5:37 a.m.
                                               Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingrampancy 8/16/06 5:37 p.m.
                                                     Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingRyokoTK 8/16/06 6:00 p.m.
                                                           Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingrampancy 8/16/06 6:19 p.m.
                                                                 Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingRyokoTK 8/16/06 6:48 p.m.
                                                                       Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingC Lund 8/16/06 11:31 p.m.
                                                                             Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingRyokoTK 8/17/06 4:27 a.m.
                                                                       Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingBlake37 8/17/06 3:44 a.m.
                                                                       Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingrampancy 8/17/06 9:04 a.m.
                                                                             Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingRyokoTK 8/17/06 9:11 a.m.
                                                           Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingAachim 8/17/06 12:28 a.m.
                                                                 Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingBlake37 8/17/06 3:47 a.m.
                                                                 Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingAaron Sikes 8/17/06 6:15 a.m.
                                                                       Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingpatrick 8/17/06 8:21 a.m.
                                                                             Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingForrest of B.org 8/17/06 9:47 a.m.
                                                                             Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingScifiteki 8/17/06 1:53 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingBlake37 8/17/06 2:19 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingukimalefu 8/17/06 6:47 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingSteve Levinson 8/17/06 7:03 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingRyokoTK 8/17/06 2:53 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingForrest of B.org 8/17/06 3:17 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingRyokoTK 8/17/06 4:11 p.m.
                                                                                                     High-res stuff and very large filesForrest of B.org 8/17/06 4:38 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: High-res stuff and very large filesBlake37 8/17/06 4:51 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: High-res stuff and very large filestreellama 8/17/06 6:25 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: High-res stuff and very large filesukimalefu 8/17/06 7:00 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingSteve Levinson 8/17/06 7:16 p.m.
                                                                                               Eternal Pfhor texturesAaron Sikes 8/18/06 5:46 a.m.
                             Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingSteve Levinson 8/17/06 8:08 p.m.
                 Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingC Lund 8/16/06 11:13 p.m.
     Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingC Lund 8/16/06 11:03 p.m.
           Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingRyokoTK 8/17/06 4:32 a.m.
                 Thanks for all the input--and apologies...Aaron Sikes 8/17/06 6:33 a.m.
                       Re: Thanks for all the input--and apologies...Adam Ashwell 8/17/06 6:53 a.m.
                             Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingRyokoTK 8/17/06 9:10 a.m.
                                   Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingAaron Sikes 8/18/06 6:02 a.m.
                                         Re: The politics/philosphy of mappingRyokoTK 8/18/06 4:34 p.m.
                             Scrap it and rebuild from scratchForrest of B.org 8/17/06 10:46 a.m.
                                   Re: Scrap it and rebuild from scratchAdam Ashwell 8/17/06 11:29 a.m.
                                         Re: Scrap it and rebuild from scratchBlake37 8/17/06 12:34 p.m.
                                               Re: Scrap it and rebuild from scratchForrest of B.org 8/17/06 12:51 p.m.
                                                     Re: Scrap it and rebuild from scratchBlake37 8/17/06 1:09 p.m.
                                                           You insiders are making me jealous *NM*Steve Levinson 8/17/06 7:24 p.m.
                                                                 Everything is on the dev siteForrest of B.org 8/18/06 1:40 a.m.
                                                                       Not found error--?? *NM*Aaron Sikes 8/18/06 5:48 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Not found error--??Adam Ashwell 8/18/06 6:25 a.m.
                                                                                   A few notes and a requestAdam Ashwell 8/18/06 10:39 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: A few notes and a requestBlake37 8/18/06 12:05 p.m.

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