Re: What makes a puzzle?


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Re: What makes a puzzle?

Posted By: Steve Levinson Date: 10/3/05 10:32 a.m.
In Response To: Re: What makes a puzzle? (goran)

: This brings up another question... do we really like puzzles?
Yes, I love well-thought puzzles. Blindly stumbling around isn't much fun, but there is of course the other extreme. Nothing's more frustrating than purposefully stumbling around trying to find out why you can't leave a level, only to find that you didn't realize that there are seven switches that are supposed to be set to equal the number 17 in a binary gray code, all because the text in the instruction terminal contained 17 gray-colored letters. No, I'm not thinking of a particular scenario, but I've seen things that are equally obscure. To be fun, a puzzle needs to be clever. The problem with colony ship wasn't that it wasn't a clever puzzle - it's that the player had to go back and forth over vast portions of the map making fine adjustments until the platform heights were right. If all th switches had been in one place, it might have been fun.

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What makes a puzzle? C Lund 10/2/05 8:36 a.m.

Re: What makes a puzzle? RyokoTK 10/2/05 3:44 p.m.

Re: What makes a puzzle? Steve Levinson 10/2/05 7:19 p.m.

Re: What makes a puzzle? kyjel 10/2/05 9:12 p.m.

Re: What makes a puzzle? C Lund 10/3/05 12:58 a.m.

Re: What makes a puzzle? goran 10/3/05 1:13 a.m.

Re: What makes a puzzle? ukimalefu 10/3/05 8:56 a.m.

Re: What makes a puzzle? Steve Levinson 10/3/05 10:32 a.m.

Re: What makes a puzzle? Forrest of B.org 10/3/05 1:36 p.m.

Re: What makes a puzzle? Blake37 10/3/05 3:16 p.m.

Re: What makes a puzzle? RyokoTK 10/3/05 7:04 p.m.

Re: What makes a puzzle? ukimalefu 10/4/05 11:58 a.m.

Re: What makes a puzzle? Steve Levinson 10/4/05 4:26 a.m.

Re: What makes a puzzle? Forrest of B.org 10/4/05 4:51 p.m.

Re: What makes a puzzle? Vid Boi 10/3/05 11:07 a.m.

Re: What makes a puzzle? Keith Palmer 10/3/05 11:52 a.m.

Re: What makes a puzzle? Alexander 10/4/05 9:09 p.m.

Re: What makes a puzzle? ellio7t 10/5/05 10:04 a.m.

Re: What makes a puzzle? themijolnir 11/3/05 9:58 a.m.

Definition Deram Scholzara 10/14/05 7:48 p.m.

Re: Definition Senator Predator 10/26/05 6:00 a.m.

Puzzles?! Jontar2b 11/15/05 3:32 p.m.

Re: Puzzles?! RyokoTK 11/15/05 5:38 p.m.

Re: Puzzles?! MrHen 11/16/05 5:33 a.m.

Story discussions dwindling? Steve Levinson 11/16/05 2:54 p.m.

Re: Story discussions dwindling? ukimalefu 11/16/05 6:46 p.m.

Re: Story discussions dwindling? MrHen 11/17/05 5:52 a.m.

Re: Story discussions dwindling? Steve Levinson 11/17/05 1:33 p.m.

haha, well I *would* MrHen 11/18/05 8:48 a.m.

Re: Story discussions dwindling? Hamish Sinclair 11/18/05 10:01 a.m.

Point well taken *NM* Steve Levinson 11/18/05 12:09 p.m.

Marathon the saga continues Jontar2b 11/21/05 5:00 p.m.

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: Yes, I love well-thought puzzles. Blindly stumbling around isn't much fun, : but there is of course the other extreme. Nothing's more frustrating than : purposefully stumbling around trying to find out why you can't leave a : level, only to find that you didn't realize that there are seven switches : that are supposed to be set to equal the number 17 in a binary gray code, : all because the text in the instruction terminal contained 17 gray-colored : letters. No, I'm not thinking of a particular scenario, but I've seen : things that are equally obscure. To be fun, a puzzle needs to be clever. : The problem with colony ship wasn't that it wasn't a clever puzzle - it's : that the player had to go back and forth over vast portions of the map : making fine adjustments until the platform heights were right. If all th : switches had been in one place, it might have been fun.

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What makes a puzzle?	C Lund	10/2/05 8:36 a.m.
Re: What makes a puzzle?	RyokoTK	10/2/05 3:44 p.m.
Re: What makes a puzzle?	Steve Levinson	10/2/05 7:19 p.m.
Re: What makes a puzzle?	kyjel	10/2/05 9:12 p.m.
Re: What makes a puzzle?	C Lund	10/3/05 12:58 a.m.
Re: What makes a puzzle?	goran	10/3/05 1:13 a.m.
Re: What makes a puzzle?	ukimalefu	10/3/05 8:56 a.m.
Re: What makes a puzzle?	Steve Levinson	10/3/05 10:32 a.m.
Re: What makes a puzzle?	Forrest of B.org	10/3/05 1:36 p.m.
Re: What makes a puzzle?	Blake37	10/3/05 3:16 p.m.
Re: What makes a puzzle?	RyokoTK	10/3/05 7:04 p.m.
Re: What makes a puzzle?	ukimalefu	10/4/05 11:58 a.m.
Re: What makes a puzzle?	Steve Levinson	10/4/05 4:26 a.m.
Re: What makes a puzzle?	Forrest of B.org	10/4/05 4:51 p.m.
Re: What makes a puzzle?	Vid Boi	10/3/05 11:07 a.m.
Re: What makes a puzzle?	Keith Palmer	10/3/05 11:52 a.m.
Re: What makes a puzzle?	Alexander	10/4/05 9:09 p.m.
Re: What makes a puzzle?	ellio7t	10/5/05 10:04 a.m.
Re: What makes a puzzle?	themijolnir	11/3/05 9:58 a.m.
Definition	Deram Scholzara	10/14/05 7:48 p.m.
Re: Definition	Senator Predator	10/26/05 6:00 a.m.
Puzzles?!	Jontar2b	11/15/05 3:32 p.m.
Re: Puzzles?!	RyokoTK	11/15/05 5:38 p.m.
Re: Puzzles?!	MrHen	11/16/05 5:33 a.m.
Story discussions dwindling?	Steve Levinson	11/16/05 2:54 p.m.
Re: Story discussions dwindling?	ukimalefu	11/16/05 6:46 p.m.
Re: Story discussions dwindling?	MrHen	11/17/05 5:52 a.m.
Re: Story discussions dwindling?	Steve Levinson	11/17/05 1:33 p.m.
haha, well I would	MrHen	11/18/05 8:48 a.m.
Re: Story discussions dwindling?	Hamish Sinclair	11/18/05 10:01 a.m.
Point well taken NM	Steve Levinson	11/18/05 12:09 p.m.
Marathon the saga continues	Jontar2b	11/21/05 5:00 p.m.



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