glyphstrip FAQ button
Halo.bungie.org
glyphstrip
Frequently Asked Forum Questions
 Search the HBO News Archives

Any All Exact 
Search the Halo Updates DBs

Halo Halo2 
Search Older Posts on This Forum:
Posts on Current Forum | Archived Posts


Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*
Posted By: Tim Jones <tim@wizardsofoz.co.uk>Date: 7/14/03 12:06 p.m.

In Response To: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long* (Mark Simmons)

Might as well add my two cents...

: My function is to prevent it from leaving this installation. But I require
: your assistance.

:
: If his 'function' is solely to stop the flood leaving the installation, then
: surely he should be competent in that function. So why does he need
: assistance?

: Given that his statement implies that his function doesn't extend past
: preventing the Flood 'leaving the installation', surely the only reason he
: should need assistance was if he were planning to do something which
: exceeded his functional abilities.

: Like firing Halo perhaps...?

Absolutely, He obviously has a lot of knowledge about the Flood and knows the danger they represent...but it seems obvious to me that GS343 was never meant to have the ability to fire the Halo by himself, kind of like a two key system on a nuclear launch - he must have a "Reclaimer" to concur.

:

: The Flood must not escape the installation. They would consume all.
:
: Again, he is directly concerned with them escaping the 'installation'. And
: there is nothing to indicate that firing Halo would prevent that from
: occurring.
:

But GS343's creators felt that the only way to defeat the Flood was to use the Halo(s) - so that wouldn't be GS343's understanding of the problem? Ultimately it would prevent the Flood from escaping, or at least from escaping and surviving. This leads to an interesting conclusion, that the Flood might be able to survive and drift in space for quite some distance - 25,000 light years perhaps?

: The installation was specifically built to study and contain the Flood...

: ...and: ...samples were kept here after the last catastrophic outbreak...for
: study.

:
: So, how many Flood outbreaks have there actually been, and when was Halo
: built in relation to them?

: On the basis of what 343GS has told us, there must have been at least two.
: One prior to Halo being built and the second afterward.

: Both of his comments imply that Halo was built after the last catastrophic
: outbreak, for the purpose of studying the Flood.

: If it were in existence prior to the last 'catastrophic' outbreak, then
: surely samples would already be there being studied, since that was one
: of it's original design parameters.

: Arguable as well, you don't specifically embark on building something on that
: colossal scale to study and control a species unless there is a good
: reason to do so. In the circumstances, a catastrophic outbreak seems like
: a good enough one to prompt you.

: Now, given that we know, from 343GS later comments, that 'Halo' appears to
: have actually been fired previously, does that imply that its firing did
: not take place because of a 'catastrophic' outbreak of Flood? On the
: basis of the above, the answer is, no.

: If that is so, does it mean that is was fired due to a minor outbreak, or by
: mistake, or for other reasons..?

: Question: Why would you activate something as terminal as Halo for anything
: less than a 'catastrophic' outbreak...?

I suggest that the Halo(s) were built during the first catastophic outbreak, and were in fact the solution to that outbreak. This leads me to my own theory that the Forerunner actually intended to save the sentient life of the universe from the Flood by firing the Halo. It seems obvious that life on the Halo is spared the effects of its firing - quite simply it is the only way any Flood could have survived at all.

But if you wanted to eradicate all sentient life as a failsafe to rid the galaxy of the Flood, why would you choose to preserve samples of the only species you truly wanted to destroy? Why not others as well? Surely you would use the Halo as a safe base in which you would save as many species as possible....in libraries perhaps? or extensive facilities?

: So: 1) Why does he expect this behaviour from the Flood? Has a similar
: situation occurred before on Installation 04?

GS343 has a great knowledge of the Flood, presumably mostly due to his programming (his very existence is due to the Flood threat) and also as he has spent much time with them (this is slighly less proven as he is "grateful to see that some of them have survived" - suggesting that he himself has not been active until recently?)

: 2) Why would the Flood want to change the atmosphere...? Surely it would
: benefit them to maintain an atmosphere which supports their 'food', not
: change it to one that would harm it in any way.

Perhaps this is the very nature of their threat. They not only infect, but also destroy the habitat, then move on to pastures new. That would explain why they would be such voracious consumers and also why they would ultimately destroy the whole galaxy. Especially if you couple it with the fact that they could survive in deep space and travel up to 25,000 light years!
:

: The installation was well conceived. It is surely the only way to end the
: Flood threat.

:
: A threat is only a threat, provided there is something to be threatened. If
: the Halos are capable of wiping out all sentient life in the galaxy, that
: implies that whatever is being threatened is not within their effective
: range. Otherwise, the Halos would be just as much a threat.

Back to my theory that the Halo is basically an Ark. Samples of sentient species were saved by being placed on the Halo when it was fired thus ensuring their survival - the only way to end the Flood threat to all species.

: So which galaxy is the threatened species in?

or...everyone else made it (covenant, human etc) so where are the Forerunner?
:

: Anyway, that'll probably do for now. :-)

: Thoughts...?

: Mark


Message Index




Replies:

343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/6/03 1:48 p.m.
     Amazing.Louis Wu 7/6/03 2:36 p.m.
           I second that notion Louis, well done *NM*KORHAL 7/6/03 3:21 p.m.
     very good. CHEERS! *NM*dizzy 7/6/03 3:28 p.m.
     Interesting :)BOLL 7/6/03 3:59 p.m.
           Compelling, outstanding, simply marvelous! *NM*StarWarsFanMan 7/6/03 4:31 p.m.
           Re: Interesting :)Mark Simmons 7/6/03 9:20 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Wado SG 7/6/03 4:53 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*oddworld18 7/6/03 5:32 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Avid Merrion 7/6/03 5:40 p.m.
                 Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Wado SG 7/6/03 5:45 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/6/03 9:08 p.m.
                 Re: 001 GS - 343 GS...Wado SG 7/6/03 10:39 p.m.
                       Re: 001 GS - 343 GS...Mark Simmons 7/7/03 12:19 a.m.
                             HSP rocksWado SG 7/7/03 1:31 a.m.
                                   Re: HSP rocksLouis Wu 7/7/03 7:49 a.m.
                                         Re: HSP rocksWado SG 7/7/03 11:20 a.m.
                                               Re: HSP rocksLouis Wu 7/7/03 11:53 a.m.
                                   Re: HSP rocksMark Simmons 7/7/03 9:20 a.m.
                       Re: 001 GS - 343 GS... and furthermoreWado SG 7/9/03 2:55 p.m.
                             Re: 001 GS - 343 GS... and furthermoreMark Simmons 7/11/03 9:44 p.m.
                                   sooo, it's yes, there are two? nmvshields ash 7/11/03 10:53 p.m.
     Crap that probably is just a coincidencetherealchief 7/6/03 6:12 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Wintermute 7/6/03 6:55 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/6/03 8:47 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Louis Wu 7/6/03 9:08 p.m.
                 Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Erica Carr 7/6/03 9:32 p.m.
                       Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/7/03 2:28 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mooreberg 7/6/03 9:01 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/6/03 11:09 p.m.
                 Warning: Hitchhikers May Be Escaping Convicts *NM*Tim Jones 7/14/03 9:29 a.m.
                       Indeed... :-) *NM*Mark Simmons 7/16/03 4:31 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Jamirus99 7/6/03 9:31 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/7/03 12:14 a.m.
                 Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Jamirus99 7/7/03 7:39 a.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Rampant Cowboy 7/7/03 1:17 a.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/7/03 9:16 a.m.
                 Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Wintermute 7/7/03 12:48 p.m.
                       Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/7/03 3:55 p.m.
                 Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Rampant Cowboy 7/7/03 2:03 p.m.
                       Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/7/03 3:41 p.m.
     Tricky little robot!Capo Rip 7/7/03 4:05 a.m.
           Re: Tricky little robot!Mark Simmons 7/7/03 10:35 a.m.
                 Re: Tricky little robot!Louis Wu 7/7/03 11:17 a.m.
                       Re: Tricky little robot!Mark Simmons 7/7/03 11:28 a.m.
                             Re: Tricky little robot!Louis Wu 7/7/03 11:59 a.m.
                                   Re: Tricky little robot!Mark Simmons 7/7/03 12:24 p.m.
                                         Re: Tricky little robot!Louis Wu 7/7/03 12:26 p.m.
                                               :-) *NM*Mark Simmons 7/7/03 12:43 p.m.
     Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyBoxer [subnova] 7/7/03 9:31 a.m.
           Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyMark Simmons 7/7/03 12:15 p.m.
           Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyWado SG 7/7/03 1:19 p.m.
                 Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyMark Simmons 7/7/03 1:37 p.m.
                       Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyWado SG 7/7/03 2:17 p.m.
                             Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyMark Simmons 7/7/03 4:18 p.m.
                                   Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyWado SG 7/7/03 5:00 p.m.
                                         Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyDeV 7/8/03 10:34 a.m.
                                               Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyWado SG 7/8/03 2:28 p.m.
                                                     Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyCiarán 7/9/03 8:07 a.m.
                                                           Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyCiarán 7/9/03 8:10 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyWado SG 7/9/03 1:26 p.m.
                                                           Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyWado SG 7/9/03 1:43 p.m.
                                                     Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyDeV 7/9/03 10:29 a.m.
                                                           Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyWado SG 7/9/03 1:22 p.m.
                 Halo as a research vesselRampant Cowboy 7/7/03 2:14 p.m.
                       Re: Halo as a research vesselWado SG 7/7/03 2:20 p.m.
                       Re: Halo as a research vesselMark Simmons 7/7/03 3:09 p.m.
                             Re: Halo as a research vesselRampant Cowboy 7/7/03 4:52 p.m.
                       Re: Halo as a research vesselRiley 7/15/03 2:12 p.m.
     My Halo opinioncrazyguy 7/7/03 9:33 p.m.
           How the dinosaurs REALLY died!Sterfrye36 7/11/03 1:20 p.m.
                 Re: How the dinosaurs REALLY died!Wintermute 7/12/03 11:16 a.m.
                 Re: How the dinosaurs REALLY died!Riley 7/12/03 9:12 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Riley 7/12/03 1:28 a.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Captian Podge 7/13/03 1:46 a.m.
                 Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Samurai Pizza Cat 7/13/03 8:25 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*DocOctavius 7/13/03 11:12 p.m.
     thinking too muchJohn Murphy 7/14/03 12:24 a.m.
           Re: thinking too muchgoatrope 7/14/03 12:31 a.m.
           why not? *NM*dizzy 7/14/03 12:37 a.m.
     nb pointsInvictus 7/14/03 1:35 a.m.
           Re: nb pointsFefoInAcan 7/14/03 2:16 a.m.
                 Long you say? I say "Pah!"goatrope 7/14/03 3:24 a.m.
                       Re: Long you say? I say "Pah!"FefoInAcan 7/14/03 1:36 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*someguy_99 7/14/03 3:13 a.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Tim Jones 7/14/03 12:06 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*anonanonunumus 7/16/03 7:13 p.m.
                 Got your answer here.................KORHAL 7/16/03 8:00 p.m.
                       Re: Got your answer here.................Tim Jones 7/23/03 12:15 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*AtomicNuker1 7/19/03 5:14 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*AtomicNuker1 7/20/03 11:15 a.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*CANTANATRIX 7/21/03 2:25 p.m.



contact us

The HBO Forum Archive is maintained with WebBBS 4.33.