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Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's history
Posted By: Mark Simmons <mark343gs@hotmail.com>Date: 7/7/03 12:15 p.m.

In Response To: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's history (Boxer [subnova])

: Here’s my question.

: If there have been at least two outbreaks (including the one that occurs
: during HALO) then wouldn’t it stand to reason that The Flood were
: somehow stopped before the building of Halo if the statement, "The
: installation was specifically built to study and contain the Flood...",
: is being interpreted accurately.

[side note] I was originally referring to two previous outbreaks prior to the current one. One 'possible' that prompted Halo's construction, and the other 'possible' that prompted the previous firing of Halo. [end]

But yes, your point is important. Given that Halo was apparently built to 'study and contain' the Flood, then their threat would have to be already known.

How, of course, is a different matter.

Perhaps the Forerunners had seen an uncontrolled Flood epidemic in another Galaxy and (jumping ahead massively here) seeded all the surrounding galaxies with 'Halos' as a last resort, should they ever manage to escape the 'infected' galaxy...

: Which could therefore mean, that the Forerunner or some other highly
: advanced race mopped the floor with The Flood prior to the building of
: Halo and its’ counterparts.

: So, why should a race that could so thoroughly thrash The Flood need to
: build a weapon so powerful that it would wipe out all life, with
: sufficient bio-mass, from the face of the galaxy.

As above. Maybe they have never actually beaten them at all.

That perhaps is probably the most scary scenario of all... :-(

: Perhaps the Forerunner stumbled upon the Halos, and being so egotistical
: removed all mention of ‘the other race’, which had probably vanished
: from the galaxy, that wiped out The Flood and then built the Halos to
: house and experiment on the few remaining specimens.

: Perhaps the Forerunner were merely adaptive rather than innovative just
: as the Covenant are.

Possibly...

: Now that I’ve theorized as to why there is even a Halo, I’ll discuss
: 343GS’s dialogue.

: 343GS throughout the entire game is very prideful of Halo and his
: knowledge in all its’ uses, or so it would seem by the tone in his
: voice. I’m still having a very hard time with this statement,
: “...samples were kept here after the last catastrophic outbreak...for
: study”, it seems to me that the adding of ‘…for study’ at the end of
: this statement was an afterthought.

It does seem like an afterthought, yes. And a forced one too.

Point well made.

: Perhaps he was merely justifying the existence of The Flood to the
: Reclaimer (Mater Chief) because he believed that the MC was the first
: Reclaimer who had apparently fired Halo before, which if true would
: negate the validity of the statement “One prior to Halo being built and
: the second afterward”, because there would have had to have been a Halo
: before the first outbreak if it was indeed fired to stop The Flood once
: before and therefore it would negate my earlier musings about ‘another
: race’ other than the Forerunners.

Not necessarily. Here's the scenario (well, as I see it):

There is a Flood epidemic. The Forerunners (whether they beat the Flood or just observe the disaster from afar) build the Halos as a last line of defence.

They manage to capture and quarantine some Flood spores and store them on one(?) of the Halos for study (a mistake, it would seem).

An 'unknown' incident causes 343GS and another 'reclaimer' to fire Halo 04.

Thousands of years later, the Covenant and Humans arrive on Halo 04 and the Flood spores are released...

: But if Halo did exist prior to the first time The Flood escaped then the
: next logical step in this progression of events would be that the Halos
: were fired and in doing so who ever fired them would have been wiped
: out; i.e. Forerunner.

Well, only if the Forerunner are actually of this galaxy. If they had seeded multiple galaxies with Halos, then they could potentially live somewhere far far away.

: Now, I’m not saying that all of the Forerunner would have been wiped
: out; on the contrary, I’m saying that at least one Forerunner would have
: been killed.

: So, when 343GS says “Last time, you asked me, if it was my choice, would
: I do it?” which he eventually answers by saying that he would, should
: have been fully aware that if Halo had been fired once before, knowing
: what it’s for and what it does, that the Reclaimer would have been
: killed when it was first fired…unless anything housed within Halo
: remains unaffected by its firing.

Which, by his statement about viewing the impressive research facilities later (after, obviously, firing Halo), would seem so.

: If that’s the case then it’s understandable why 343GS might mistake the
: MC for the Reclaimer that had previously fired Halo.

No problems with that. He does seem to think that it's the same individual.

Or...maybe by the reference to 'you' he means 'race'. As in, why would 'the Forerunner' hesitate to do what 'the Forerunner' have already done...

Hmmm...

Mark


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343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/6/03 1:48 p.m.
     Amazing.Louis Wu 7/6/03 2:36 p.m.
           I second that notion Louis, well done *NM*KORHAL 7/6/03 3:21 p.m.
     very good. CHEERS! *NM*dizzy 7/6/03 3:28 p.m.
     Interesting :)BOLL 7/6/03 3:59 p.m.
           Compelling, outstanding, simply marvelous! *NM*StarWarsFanMan 7/6/03 4:31 p.m.
           Re: Interesting :)Mark Simmons 7/6/03 9:20 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Wado SG 7/6/03 4:53 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*oddworld18 7/6/03 5:32 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Avid Merrion 7/6/03 5:40 p.m.
                 Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Wado SG 7/6/03 5:45 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/6/03 9:08 p.m.
                 Re: 001 GS - 343 GS...Wado SG 7/6/03 10:39 p.m.
                       Re: 001 GS - 343 GS...Mark Simmons 7/7/03 12:19 a.m.
                             HSP rocksWado SG 7/7/03 1:31 a.m.
                                   Re: HSP rocksLouis Wu 7/7/03 7:49 a.m.
                                         Re: HSP rocksWado SG 7/7/03 11:20 a.m.
                                               Re: HSP rocksLouis Wu 7/7/03 11:53 a.m.
                                   Re: HSP rocksMark Simmons 7/7/03 9:20 a.m.
                       Re: 001 GS - 343 GS... and furthermoreWado SG 7/9/03 2:55 p.m.
                             Re: 001 GS - 343 GS... and furthermoreMark Simmons 7/11/03 9:44 p.m.
                                   sooo, it's yes, there are two? nmvshields ash 7/11/03 10:53 p.m.
     Crap that probably is just a coincidencetherealchief 7/6/03 6:12 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Wintermute 7/6/03 6:55 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/6/03 8:47 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Louis Wu 7/6/03 9:08 p.m.
                 Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Erica Carr 7/6/03 9:32 p.m.
                       Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/7/03 2:28 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mooreberg 7/6/03 9:01 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/6/03 11:09 p.m.
                 Warning: Hitchhikers May Be Escaping Convicts *NM*Tim Jones 7/14/03 9:29 a.m.
                       Indeed... :-) *NM*Mark Simmons 7/16/03 4:31 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Jamirus99 7/6/03 9:31 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/7/03 12:14 a.m.
                 Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Jamirus99 7/7/03 7:39 a.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Rampant Cowboy 7/7/03 1:17 a.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/7/03 9:16 a.m.
                 Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Wintermute 7/7/03 12:48 p.m.
                       Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/7/03 3:55 p.m.
                 Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Rampant Cowboy 7/7/03 2:03 p.m.
                       Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/7/03 3:41 p.m.
     Tricky little robot!Capo Rip 7/7/03 4:05 a.m.
           Re: Tricky little robot!Mark Simmons 7/7/03 10:35 a.m.
                 Re: Tricky little robot!Louis Wu 7/7/03 11:17 a.m.
                       Re: Tricky little robot!Mark Simmons 7/7/03 11:28 a.m.
                             Re: Tricky little robot!Louis Wu 7/7/03 11:59 a.m.
                                   Re: Tricky little robot!Mark Simmons 7/7/03 12:24 p.m.
                                         Re: Tricky little robot!Louis Wu 7/7/03 12:26 p.m.
                                               :-) *NM*Mark Simmons 7/7/03 12:43 p.m.
     Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyBoxer [subnova] 7/7/03 9:31 a.m.
           Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyMark Simmons 7/7/03 12:15 p.m.
           Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyWado SG 7/7/03 1:19 p.m.
                 Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyMark Simmons 7/7/03 1:37 p.m.
                       Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyWado SG 7/7/03 2:17 p.m.
                             Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyMark Simmons 7/7/03 4:18 p.m.
                                   Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyWado SG 7/7/03 5:00 p.m.
                                         Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyDeV 7/8/03 10:34 a.m.
                                               Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyWado SG 7/8/03 2:28 p.m.
                                                     Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyCiarán 7/9/03 8:07 a.m.
                                                           Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyCiarán 7/9/03 8:10 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyWado SG 7/9/03 1:26 p.m.
                                                           Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyWado SG 7/9/03 1:43 p.m.
                                                     Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyDeV 7/9/03 10:29 a.m.
                                                           Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyWado SG 7/9/03 1:22 p.m.
                 Halo as a research vesselRampant Cowboy 7/7/03 2:14 p.m.
                       Re: Halo as a research vesselWado SG 7/7/03 2:20 p.m.
                       Re: Halo as a research vesselMark Simmons 7/7/03 3:09 p.m.
                             Re: Halo as a research vesselRampant Cowboy 7/7/03 4:52 p.m.
                       Re: Halo as a research vesselRiley 7/15/03 2:12 p.m.
     My Halo opinioncrazyguy 7/7/03 9:33 p.m.
           How the dinosaurs REALLY died!Sterfrye36 7/11/03 1:20 p.m.
                 Re: How the dinosaurs REALLY died!Wintermute 7/12/03 11:16 a.m.
                 Re: How the dinosaurs REALLY died!Riley 7/12/03 9:12 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Riley 7/12/03 1:28 a.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Captian Podge 7/13/03 1:46 a.m.
                 Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Samurai Pizza Cat 7/13/03 8:25 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*DocOctavius 7/13/03 11:12 p.m.
     thinking too muchJohn Murphy 7/14/03 12:24 a.m.
           Re: thinking too muchgoatrope 7/14/03 12:31 a.m.
           why not? *NM*dizzy 7/14/03 12:37 a.m.
     nb pointsInvictus 7/14/03 1:35 a.m.
           Re: nb pointsFefoInAcan 7/14/03 2:16 a.m.
                 Long you say? I say "Pah!"goatrope 7/14/03 3:24 a.m.
                       Re: Long you say? I say "Pah!"FefoInAcan 7/14/03 1:36 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*someguy_99 7/14/03 3:13 a.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Tim Jones 7/14/03 12:06 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*anonanonunumus 7/16/03 7:13 p.m.
                 Got your answer here.................KORHAL 7/16/03 8:00 p.m.
                       Re: Got your answer here.................Tim Jones 7/23/03 12:15 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*AtomicNuker1 7/19/03 5:14 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*AtomicNuker1 7/20/03 11:15 a.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*CANTANATRIX 7/21/03 2:25 p.m.



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