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Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*
Posted By: Jamirus99 <jamirus9@bestweb.net>Date: 7/6/03 9:31 p.m.

In Response To: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long* (Mark Simmons)

: After a couple of months break from all things Halo, I started rethinking
: about some of what 343GS says during the game and what they might imply.

: Some of the following does go back over a few previous ideas that I posted
: and some existing anomalies. But since it ties the new stuff together, I
: thought it would be worth covering again.

: My function is to prevent it from leaving this installation. But I require
: your assistance.

:
: If his 'function' is solely to stop the flood leaving the installation, then
: surely he should be competent in that function. So why does he need
: assistance?

: Given that his statement implies that his function doesn't extend past
: preventing the Flood 'leaving the installation', surely the only reason he
: should need assistance was if he were planning to do something which
: exceeded his functional abilities.

: Like firing Halo perhaps...?
:

: The Flood must not escape the installation. They would consume all.

:
: Again, he is directly concerned with them escaping the 'installation'. And
: there is nothing to indicate that firing Halo would prevent that from
: occurring.
:

: The installation was specifically built to study and contain the Flood...

: ...and: ...samples were kept here after the last catastrophic outbreak...for
: study.

:
: So, how many Flood outbreaks have there actually been, and when was Halo
: built in relation to them?

: On the basis of what 343GS has told us, there must have been at least two.
: One prior to Halo being built and the second afterward.

: Both of his comments imply that Halo was built after the last catastrophic
: outbreak, for the purpose of studying the Flood.

: If it were in existence prior to the last 'catastrophic' outbreak, then
: surely samples would already be there being studied, since that was one
: of it's original design parameters.

: Arguable as well, you don't specifically embark on building something on that
: colossal scale to study and control a species unless there is a good
: reason to do so. In the circumstances, a catastrophic outbreak seems like
: a good enough one to prompt you.

: Now, given that we know, from 343GS later comments, that 'Halo' appears to
: have actually been fired previously, does that imply that its firing did
: not take place because of a 'catastrophic' outbreak of Flood? On the
: basis of the above, the answer is, no.

: If that is so, does it mean that is was fired due to a minor outbreak, or by
: mistake, or for other reasons..?

: Question: Why would you activate something as terminal as Halo for anything
: less than a 'catastrophic' outbreak...?

: Which leads me onto...

:

: Last time, you asked me, if it was my choice, would I do it?

:
: So, the previous 'reclaimer' appears to have asked 343GS's opinion on the
: validity of firing Halo...?

: Why?

: If he was a genuine reclaimer, he should have been fully aware of his
: responsibilities and 343GS's functional parameters. So why bother with the
: question...? Curiosity? Or something more...?

: Did the previous reclaimer have his doubts as to the necessity of doing
: so...?

: What was actually going on at that point in time...?
:

: This installation's research facilities are most impressive! Perhaps you
: will have time to see them later.

:
: Which implies that firing Halo does not directly affect anything on Halo's
: surface, or at least within the Control Room itself...

: However, given that firing Halo doesn't actually kill Flood, how does 343GS
: expect you to view these 'impressive' research facilities while they're
: still infested with rampaging Flood?

: Another pointer to the fact that the guy's a complete fruit-loop...?
:

: Your environment suit should serve you well when the Flood begins to alter
: the atmosphere. You are a good planner.

:
: This would tend to imply that 343GS cannot disable those particular controls
: (or perhaps he doesn't want to).

: Perhaps someone else wasn't a good planner...

: More importantly though, it also implies that 343GS already expects the Flood
: to change the atmosphere and for it to be potentially detrimental to
: you.

: So: 1) Why does he expect this behaviour from the Flood? Has a similar
: situation occurred before on Installation 04?

: 2) Why would the Flood want to change the atmosphere...? Surely it would
: benefit them to maintain an atmosphere which supports their 'food', not
: change it to one that would harm it in any way.
:

: The installation was well conceived. It is surely the only way to end the
: Flood threat.

:
: A threat is only a threat, provided there is something to be threatened. If
: the Halos are capable of wiping out all sentient life in the galaxy, that
: implies that whatever is being threatened is not within their effective
: range. Otherwise, the Halos would be just as much a threat.

: So which galaxy is the threatened species in?
:

: Anyway, that'll probably do for now. :-)

: Thoughts...?

: Mark

Not only do I love it, I'd just like to point you to my own theory, which seems to coincide with yours on the points of GS's speeches.

http://forums.bungie.org/halo/archive8.pl?read=208669

Sorry, don't have time for HTML. Once again, excellent job!

The Journal of Jamirus99



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343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/6/03 1:48 p.m.
     Amazing.Louis Wu 7/6/03 2:36 p.m.
           I second that notion Louis, well done *NM*KORHAL 7/6/03 3:21 p.m.
     very good. CHEERS! *NM*dizzy 7/6/03 3:28 p.m.
     Interesting :)BOLL 7/6/03 3:59 p.m.
           Compelling, outstanding, simply marvelous! *NM*StarWarsFanMan 7/6/03 4:31 p.m.
           Re: Interesting :)Mark Simmons 7/6/03 9:20 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Wado SG 7/6/03 4:53 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*oddworld18 7/6/03 5:32 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Avid Merrion 7/6/03 5:40 p.m.
                 Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Wado SG 7/6/03 5:45 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/6/03 9:08 p.m.
                 Re: 001 GS - 343 GS...Wado SG 7/6/03 10:39 p.m.
                       Re: 001 GS - 343 GS...Mark Simmons 7/7/03 12:19 a.m.
                             HSP rocksWado SG 7/7/03 1:31 a.m.
                                   Re: HSP rocksLouis Wu 7/7/03 7:49 a.m.
                                         Re: HSP rocksWado SG 7/7/03 11:20 a.m.
                                               Re: HSP rocksLouis Wu 7/7/03 11:53 a.m.
                                   Re: HSP rocksMark Simmons 7/7/03 9:20 a.m.
                       Re: 001 GS - 343 GS... and furthermoreWado SG 7/9/03 2:55 p.m.
                             Re: 001 GS - 343 GS... and furthermoreMark Simmons 7/11/03 9:44 p.m.
                                   sooo, it's yes, there are two? nmvshields ash 7/11/03 10:53 p.m.
     Crap that probably is just a coincidencetherealchief 7/6/03 6:12 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Wintermute 7/6/03 6:55 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/6/03 8:47 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Louis Wu 7/6/03 9:08 p.m.
                 Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Erica Carr 7/6/03 9:32 p.m.
                       Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/7/03 2:28 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mooreberg 7/6/03 9:01 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/6/03 11:09 p.m.
                 Warning: Hitchhikers May Be Escaping Convicts *NM*Tim Jones 7/14/03 9:29 a.m.
                       Indeed... :-) *NM*Mark Simmons 7/16/03 4:31 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Jamirus99 7/6/03 9:31 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/7/03 12:14 a.m.
                 Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Jamirus99 7/7/03 7:39 a.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Rampant Cowboy 7/7/03 1:17 a.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/7/03 9:16 a.m.
                 Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Wintermute 7/7/03 12:48 p.m.
                       Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/7/03 3:55 p.m.
                 Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Rampant Cowboy 7/7/03 2:03 p.m.
                       Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/7/03 3:41 p.m.
     Tricky little robot!Capo Rip 7/7/03 4:05 a.m.
           Re: Tricky little robot!Mark Simmons 7/7/03 10:35 a.m.
                 Re: Tricky little robot!Louis Wu 7/7/03 11:17 a.m.
                       Re: Tricky little robot!Mark Simmons 7/7/03 11:28 a.m.
                             Re: Tricky little robot!Louis Wu 7/7/03 11:59 a.m.
                                   Re: Tricky little robot!Mark Simmons 7/7/03 12:24 p.m.
                                         Re: Tricky little robot!Louis Wu 7/7/03 12:26 p.m.
                                               :-) *NM*Mark Simmons 7/7/03 12:43 p.m.
     Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyBoxer [subnova] 7/7/03 9:31 a.m.
           Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyMark Simmons 7/7/03 12:15 p.m.
           Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyWado SG 7/7/03 1:19 p.m.
                 Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyMark Simmons 7/7/03 1:37 p.m.
                       Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyWado SG 7/7/03 2:17 p.m.
                             Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyMark Simmons 7/7/03 4:18 p.m.
                                   Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyWado SG 7/7/03 5:00 p.m.
                                         Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyDeV 7/8/03 10:34 a.m.
                                               Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyWado SG 7/8/03 2:28 p.m.
                                                     Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyCiarán 7/9/03 8:07 a.m.
                                                           Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyCiarán 7/9/03 8:10 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyWado SG 7/9/03 1:26 p.m.
                                                           Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyWado SG 7/9/03 1:43 p.m.
                                                     Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyDeV 7/9/03 10:29 a.m.
                                                           Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyWado SG 7/9/03 1:22 p.m.
                 Halo as a research vesselRampant Cowboy 7/7/03 2:14 p.m.
                       Re: Halo as a research vesselWado SG 7/7/03 2:20 p.m.
                       Re: Halo as a research vesselMark Simmons 7/7/03 3:09 p.m.
                             Re: Halo as a research vesselRampant Cowboy 7/7/03 4:52 p.m.
                       Re: Halo as a research vesselRiley 7/15/03 2:12 p.m.
     My Halo opinioncrazyguy 7/7/03 9:33 p.m.
           How the dinosaurs REALLY died!Sterfrye36 7/11/03 1:20 p.m.
                 Re: How the dinosaurs REALLY died!Wintermute 7/12/03 11:16 a.m.
                 Re: How the dinosaurs REALLY died!Riley 7/12/03 9:12 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Riley 7/12/03 1:28 a.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Captian Podge 7/13/03 1:46 a.m.
                 Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Samurai Pizza Cat 7/13/03 8:25 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*DocOctavius 7/13/03 11:12 p.m.
     thinking too muchJohn Murphy 7/14/03 12:24 a.m.
           Re: thinking too muchgoatrope 7/14/03 12:31 a.m.
           why not? *NM*dizzy 7/14/03 12:37 a.m.
     nb pointsInvictus 7/14/03 1:35 a.m.
           Re: nb pointsFefoInAcan 7/14/03 2:16 a.m.
                 Long you say? I say "Pah!"goatrope 7/14/03 3:24 a.m.
                       Re: Long you say? I say "Pah!"FefoInAcan 7/14/03 1:36 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*someguy_99 7/14/03 3:13 a.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Tim Jones 7/14/03 12:06 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*anonanonunumus 7/16/03 7:13 p.m.
                 Got your answer here.................KORHAL 7/16/03 8:00 p.m.
                       Re: Got your answer here.................Tim Jones 7/23/03 12:15 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*AtomicNuker1 7/19/03 5:14 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*AtomicNuker1 7/20/03 11:15 a.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*CANTANATRIX 7/21/03 2:25 p.m.



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