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Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*
Posted By: Mark Simmons <mark343gs@hotmail.com>Date: 7/6/03 8:47 p.m.

In Response To: Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long* (Wintermute)

: for the love of god READ STARHAMMER. =)

Believe me. If I could get hold of a reasonably priced copy, I would. :-)

: NOT NECESSARILY

Agreed. I wasn't actually making a point just yet. Purely setting the scene for one.

: This is true, but he is registering an "Outbreak" of flood. He
: remarks that the only way to contain them is to deprive them of food.
: Meaning any biomatter substantial enough to sustain them. So i think he
: basically wants to wipe out life in that area of the galaxy in order to
: "do his job". but he lacks the perspective to see that he would
: be depriving himself of "users" and therefore he would be left
: in a constant waiting-for-input cycle.
: [snip]

Again, I was just setting the scene here for my point in the following paragraph. But to comment:

It is also in flagrant breech of his 'function', which is purely to stop the Flood 'leaving' Halo. If his function was simply stated as 'containing' the Flood, then firing Halo would fall within his apparent jurisdiction. However, just stopping them from leaving Halo is far too specific a task to encompass actually activating Halo.

: Not necessarily.

In what way exactly?

Arguably, the 'second' outbreak is debatable. But that then leaves the open-ended question, "For what reason was Halo actually fired?".

: Or the fact that the Flood happens to be consuming all life in that part of the universe.

Same thing really. It still constitutes a catastrophic outbreak.

: You got me there.

Yup, me too. It's rhetorical at best... :-)

: Remorse? Chris Cox (RIP) said remorse is the pain of sin. Maybe the
: Forerunner felt bad for wiping the Flood (for the most part) out of
: existence.

Actually, I was thinking of it as displaying concern for everyone else, barring the Flood. But your interpretation is certainly the more interesting of the two.

: Says who?

Cortana, at the start of Two Betrayals: "...Halo doesn't kill flood, it kills their food..."

: The flood will die without food. Eliminating all the food in nearby space
: should eliminate them effectively.

Well, I suspect that they're not going to die off immediately. It would take some time.

Also, given:

----------------------------------------------------
:: This installation's research facilities are most impressive! Perhaps you
:: will have time to see them later.
:: Which implies that firing Halo does not directly affect anything on Halo's
:: surface, or at least within the Control Room itself...

: That would be the implication.
----------------------------------------------------

...it's not a given that their 'food' on Halo would be killed immediately either. And that, arguably, could provide them with sustenance for some time.

: Very astute.

I have my occasional moments. ;-)

: Or that the Flood will change the available atmosphere so much that Halo's
: systems cannot recover.

I suppose that depends on how the Flood change the atmosphere.

I was basing my comments on it being by manipulating Halo's systems. I don't see how such a relatively small life-form could impact the weather systems of Halo purely on their own.

: Based on the Forerunners' past expericence with the Flood.

You mean somewhere where there are artificial environmental systems that can be tampered with...? I'll go with that.

Again, it's doubtful that a small parasitic life-form has the capacity to affect a planetary atmosphere purely on it's own in the short term.

: Maybe, maybe not.

Maybe 343GS is wrong. Maybe not...

: Not necessarily. The Forerunner are obviously a biological species (as
: opposed to a species of sentient machines) or else they wouldnt care about
: containing the Flood.

I think you might have missed my point here. :-)

Yes, the Flood would seem to be a threat to the Forerunners. No argument there.

The point I was making is that, the Forerunners (those threatened) would probably live outside of this galaxy. Otherwise the Halos would pose just as much a threat to them as the Flood would, thus negating their usefulness as a defence.

Mark


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343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/6/03 1:48 p.m.
     Amazing.Louis Wu 7/6/03 2:36 p.m.
           I second that notion Louis, well done *NM*KORHAL 7/6/03 3:21 p.m.
     very good. CHEERS! *NM*dizzy 7/6/03 3:28 p.m.
     Interesting :)BOLL 7/6/03 3:59 p.m.
           Compelling, outstanding, simply marvelous! *NM*StarWarsFanMan 7/6/03 4:31 p.m.
           Re: Interesting :)Mark Simmons 7/6/03 9:20 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Wado SG 7/6/03 4:53 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*oddworld18 7/6/03 5:32 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Avid Merrion 7/6/03 5:40 p.m.
                 Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Wado SG 7/6/03 5:45 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/6/03 9:08 p.m.
                 Re: 001 GS - 343 GS...Wado SG 7/6/03 10:39 p.m.
                       Re: 001 GS - 343 GS...Mark Simmons 7/7/03 12:19 a.m.
                             HSP rocksWado SG 7/7/03 1:31 a.m.
                                   Re: HSP rocksLouis Wu 7/7/03 7:49 a.m.
                                         Re: HSP rocksWado SG 7/7/03 11:20 a.m.
                                               Re: HSP rocksLouis Wu 7/7/03 11:53 a.m.
                                   Re: HSP rocksMark Simmons 7/7/03 9:20 a.m.
                       Re: 001 GS - 343 GS... and furthermoreWado SG 7/9/03 2:55 p.m.
                             Re: 001 GS - 343 GS... and furthermoreMark Simmons 7/11/03 9:44 p.m.
                                   sooo, it's yes, there are two? nmvshields ash 7/11/03 10:53 p.m.
     Crap that probably is just a coincidencetherealchief 7/6/03 6:12 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Wintermute 7/6/03 6:55 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/6/03 8:47 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Louis Wu 7/6/03 9:08 p.m.
                 Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Erica Carr 7/6/03 9:32 p.m.
                       Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/7/03 2:28 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mooreberg 7/6/03 9:01 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/6/03 11:09 p.m.
                 Warning: Hitchhikers May Be Escaping Convicts *NM*Tim Jones 7/14/03 9:29 a.m.
                       Indeed... :-) *NM*Mark Simmons 7/16/03 4:31 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Jamirus99 7/6/03 9:31 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/7/03 12:14 a.m.
                 Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Jamirus99 7/7/03 7:39 a.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Rampant Cowboy 7/7/03 1:17 a.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/7/03 9:16 a.m.
                 Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Wintermute 7/7/03 12:48 p.m.
                       Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/7/03 3:55 p.m.
                 Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Rampant Cowboy 7/7/03 2:03 p.m.
                       Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/7/03 3:41 p.m.
     Tricky little robot!Capo Rip 7/7/03 4:05 a.m.
           Re: Tricky little robot!Mark Simmons 7/7/03 10:35 a.m.
                 Re: Tricky little robot!Louis Wu 7/7/03 11:17 a.m.
                       Re: Tricky little robot!Mark Simmons 7/7/03 11:28 a.m.
                             Re: Tricky little robot!Louis Wu 7/7/03 11:59 a.m.
                                   Re: Tricky little robot!Mark Simmons 7/7/03 12:24 p.m.
                                         Re: Tricky little robot!Louis Wu 7/7/03 12:26 p.m.
                                               :-) *NM*Mark Simmons 7/7/03 12:43 p.m.
     Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyBoxer [subnova] 7/7/03 9:31 a.m.
           Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyMark Simmons 7/7/03 12:15 p.m.
           Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyWado SG 7/7/03 1:19 p.m.
                 Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyMark Simmons 7/7/03 1:37 p.m.
                       Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyWado SG 7/7/03 2:17 p.m.
                             Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyMark Simmons 7/7/03 4:18 p.m.
                                   Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyWado SG 7/7/03 5:00 p.m.
                                         Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyDeV 7/8/03 10:34 a.m.
                                               Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyWado SG 7/8/03 2:28 p.m.
                                                     Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyCiarán 7/9/03 8:07 a.m.
                                                           Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyCiarán 7/9/03 8:10 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyWado SG 7/9/03 1:26 p.m.
                                                           Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyWado SG 7/9/03 1:43 p.m.
                                                     Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyDeV 7/9/03 10:29 a.m.
                                                           Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyWado SG 7/9/03 1:22 p.m.
                 Halo as a research vesselRampant Cowboy 7/7/03 2:14 p.m.
                       Re: Halo as a research vesselWado SG 7/7/03 2:20 p.m.
                       Re: Halo as a research vesselMark Simmons 7/7/03 3:09 p.m.
                             Re: Halo as a research vesselRampant Cowboy 7/7/03 4:52 p.m.
                       Re: Halo as a research vesselRiley 7/15/03 2:12 p.m.
     My Halo opinioncrazyguy 7/7/03 9:33 p.m.
           How the dinosaurs REALLY died!Sterfrye36 7/11/03 1:20 p.m.
                 Re: How the dinosaurs REALLY died!Wintermute 7/12/03 11:16 a.m.
                 Re: How the dinosaurs REALLY died!Riley 7/12/03 9:12 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Riley 7/12/03 1:28 a.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Captian Podge 7/13/03 1:46 a.m.
                 Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Samurai Pizza Cat 7/13/03 8:25 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*DocOctavius 7/13/03 11:12 p.m.
     thinking too muchJohn Murphy 7/14/03 12:24 a.m.
           Re: thinking too muchgoatrope 7/14/03 12:31 a.m.
           why not? *NM*dizzy 7/14/03 12:37 a.m.
     nb pointsInvictus 7/14/03 1:35 a.m.
           Re: nb pointsFefoInAcan 7/14/03 2:16 a.m.
                 Long you say? I say "Pah!"goatrope 7/14/03 3:24 a.m.
                       Re: Long you say? I say "Pah!"FefoInAcan 7/14/03 1:36 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*someguy_99 7/14/03 3:13 a.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Tim Jones 7/14/03 12:06 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*anonanonunumus 7/16/03 7:13 p.m.
                 Got your answer here.................KORHAL 7/16/03 8:00 p.m.
                       Re: Got your answer here.................Tim Jones 7/23/03 12:15 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*AtomicNuker1 7/19/03 5:14 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*AtomicNuker1 7/20/03 11:15 a.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*CANTANATRIX 7/21/03 2:25 p.m.



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