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Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*
Posted By: Wintermute <durandal217@yahoo.com>Date: 7/6/03 6:55 p.m.

In Response To: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long* (Mark Simmons)

for the love of god READ STARHAMMER. =) Now for some analysis...

[snip]
: My function is to prevent it from leaving this installation. But I require
: your assistance.
: If his 'function' is solely to stop the flood leaving the installation, then
: surely he should be competent in that function.

NOT NECESSARILY

:So why does he need
: assistance?

He is not given the ability to make a conscious decision that will affect the system. He is a tool programmed for a specific purpose, he cannot
make judgements or decisions outside of his functionality, even though he may want to. He is driven by prime directives that override any decisions he wants to make. basically he needs a "user", the MC, to make demands on him or his system. He's a wily jackhole because he tries to convince the unwitting MC to input a command into the system that happens to be his specific wish. Loophole-finding mofo...

: Given that his statement implies that his function doesn't extend past
: preventing the Flood 'leaving the installation', surely the only reason he
: should need assistance was if he were planning to do something which
: exceeded his functional abilities.
: Like firing Halo perhaps...?

Zact. See above.

: Again, he is directly concerned with them escaping the 'installation'. And
: there is nothing to indicate that firing Halo would prevent that from
: occurring.

This is true, but he is registering an "Outbreak" of flood. He remarks that the only way to contain them is to deprive them of food. Meaning any biomatter substantial enough to sustain them. So i think he basically wants to wipe out life in that area of the galaxy in order to "do his job". but he lacks the perspective to see that he would be depriving himself of "users" and therefore he would be left in a constant waiting-for-input cycle.
[snip]
: So, how many Flood outbreaks have there actually been, and when was Halo
: built in relation to them?

I'm willing to bet there was an empire of infested flood worlds, a MASSIVE outbreak, basically, and the Forerunner made the Halos to combat them. I'm also willing to bet that the Forerunner either won this Flood War or at least wiped out most of the life in that area of the galaxy that they fired a halo into.
---**STARHAMMER**---

: On the basis of what 343GS has told us, there must have been at least two.
: One prior to Halo being built and the second afterward.

Not necessarily.

: Both of his comments imply that Halo was built after the last catastrophic
: outbreak, for the purpose of studying the Flood.

In order to fight it.

[snip]
: Arguable as well, you don't specifically embark on building something on that
: colossal scale to study and control a species unless there is a good
: reason to do so. In the circumstances, a catastrophic outbreak seems like
: a good enough one to prompt you.

Or the fact that the Flood happens to be consuming all life in that part of the universe.

[snip]

: Question: Why would you activate something as terminal as Halo for anything
: less than a 'catastrophic' outbreak...?

You got me there.

: Last time, you asked me, if it was my choice, would I do it?
: So, the previous 'reclaimer' appears to have asked 343GS's opinion on the
: validity of firing Halo...?
: Why?

I could ask you the same thing.

: If he was a genuine reclaimer, he should have been fully aware of his
: responsibilities and 343GS's functional parameters. So why bother with the
: question...? Curiosity? Or something more...?

Remorse? Chris Cox (RIP) said remorse is the pain of sin. Maybe the Forerunner felt bad for wiping the Flood (for the most part) out of existence.

: Did the previous reclaimer have his doubts as to the necessity of doing
: so...?

It appears so.

: What was actually going on at that point in time...?

See Forerunner/Flood War above.

: This installation's research facilities are most impressive! Perhaps you
: will have time to see them later.
: Which implies that firing Halo does not directly affect anything on Halo's
: surface, or at least within the Control Room itself...

That would be the implication.

: However, given that firing Halo doesn't actually kill Flood, [snip]

Says who?

:how does 343GS expect you to view these 'impressive' research facilities while
:they're still infested with rampaging Flood?

The flood will die without food. Eliminating all the food in nearby space should eliminate them effectively.

: Another pointer to the fact that the guy's a complete fruit-loop...?

Very astute.

: Your environment suit should serve you well when the Flood begins to alter
: the atmosphere. You are a good planner.
: This would tend to imply that 343GS cannot disable those particular controls
: (or perhaps he doesn't want to).

Or that the Flood will change the available atmosphere so much that Halo's systems cannot recover.

: Perhaps someone else wasn't a good planner...

Or they just didn't expect Halo to be invaded by idiots.

: More importantly though, it also implies that 343GS already expects the Flood
: to change the atmosphere and for it to be potentially detrimental to
: you.

Based on the Forerunners' past expericence with the Flood.

: So: 1) Why does he expect this behaviour from the Flood? Has a similar
: situation occurred before on Installation 04?

No, but probably in documented Forerunner history it has.

: 2) Why would the Flood want to change the atmosphere...? Surely it would
: benefit them to maintain an atmosphere which supports their 'food', not
: change it to one that would harm it in any way.

Possibly.

: The installation was well conceived. It is surely the only way to end the
: Flood threat.

Maybe, maybe not.

: A threat is only a threat, provided there is something to be threatened. If
: the Halos are capable of wiping out all sentient life in the galaxy, that
: implies that whatever is being threatened is not within their effective
: range. Otherwise, the Halos would be just as much a threat.

Not necessarily. The Forerunner are obviously a biological species (as opposed to a species of sentient machines) or else they wouldnt care about containing the Flood.

-W


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343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/6/03 1:48 p.m.
     Amazing.Louis Wu 7/6/03 2:36 p.m.
           I second that notion Louis, well done *NM*KORHAL 7/6/03 3:21 p.m.
     very good. CHEERS! *NM*dizzy 7/6/03 3:28 p.m.
     Interesting :)BOLL 7/6/03 3:59 p.m.
           Compelling, outstanding, simply marvelous! *NM*StarWarsFanMan 7/6/03 4:31 p.m.
           Re: Interesting :)Mark Simmons 7/6/03 9:20 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Wado SG 7/6/03 4:53 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*oddworld18 7/6/03 5:32 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Avid Merrion 7/6/03 5:40 p.m.
                 Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Wado SG 7/6/03 5:45 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/6/03 9:08 p.m.
                 Re: 001 GS - 343 GS...Wado SG 7/6/03 10:39 p.m.
                       Re: 001 GS - 343 GS...Mark Simmons 7/7/03 12:19 a.m.
                             HSP rocksWado SG 7/7/03 1:31 a.m.
                                   Re: HSP rocksLouis Wu 7/7/03 7:49 a.m.
                                         Re: HSP rocksWado SG 7/7/03 11:20 a.m.
                                               Re: HSP rocksLouis Wu 7/7/03 11:53 a.m.
                                   Re: HSP rocksMark Simmons 7/7/03 9:20 a.m.
                       Re: 001 GS - 343 GS... and furthermoreWado SG 7/9/03 2:55 p.m.
                             Re: 001 GS - 343 GS... and furthermoreMark Simmons 7/11/03 9:44 p.m.
                                   sooo, it's yes, there are two? nmvshields ash 7/11/03 10:53 p.m.
     Crap that probably is just a coincidencetherealchief 7/6/03 6:12 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Wintermute 7/6/03 6:55 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/6/03 8:47 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Louis Wu 7/6/03 9:08 p.m.
                 Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Erica Carr 7/6/03 9:32 p.m.
                       Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/7/03 2:28 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mooreberg 7/6/03 9:01 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/6/03 11:09 p.m.
                 Warning: Hitchhikers May Be Escaping Convicts *NM*Tim Jones 7/14/03 9:29 a.m.
                       Indeed... :-) *NM*Mark Simmons 7/16/03 4:31 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Jamirus99 7/6/03 9:31 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/7/03 12:14 a.m.
                 Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Jamirus99 7/7/03 7:39 a.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Rampant Cowboy 7/7/03 1:17 a.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/7/03 9:16 a.m.
                 Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Wintermute 7/7/03 12:48 p.m.
                       Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/7/03 3:55 p.m.
                 Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Rampant Cowboy 7/7/03 2:03 p.m.
                       Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Mark Simmons 7/7/03 3:41 p.m.
     Tricky little robot!Capo Rip 7/7/03 4:05 a.m.
           Re: Tricky little robot!Mark Simmons 7/7/03 10:35 a.m.
                 Re: Tricky little robot!Louis Wu 7/7/03 11:17 a.m.
                       Re: Tricky little robot!Mark Simmons 7/7/03 11:28 a.m.
                             Re: Tricky little robot!Louis Wu 7/7/03 11:59 a.m.
                                   Re: Tricky little robot!Mark Simmons 7/7/03 12:24 p.m.
                                         Re: Tricky little robot!Louis Wu 7/7/03 12:26 p.m.
                                               :-) *NM*Mark Simmons 7/7/03 12:43 p.m.
     Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyBoxer [subnova] 7/7/03 9:31 a.m.
           Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyMark Simmons 7/7/03 12:15 p.m.
           Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyWado SG 7/7/03 1:19 p.m.
                 Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyMark Simmons 7/7/03 1:37 p.m.
                       Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyWado SG 7/7/03 2:17 p.m.
                             Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyMark Simmons 7/7/03 4:18 p.m.
                                   Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyWado SG 7/7/03 5:00 p.m.
                                         Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyDeV 7/8/03 10:34 a.m.
                                               Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyWado SG 7/8/03 2:28 p.m.
                                                     Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyCiarán 7/9/03 8:07 a.m.
                                                           Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyCiarán 7/9/03 8:10 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyWado SG 7/9/03 1:26 p.m.
                                                           Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyWado SG 7/9/03 1:43 p.m.
                                                     Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyDeV 7/9/03 10:29 a.m.
                                                           Re: Multiple Outbreaks & Installation 04's historyWado SG 7/9/03 1:22 p.m.
                 Halo as a research vesselRampant Cowboy 7/7/03 2:14 p.m.
                       Re: Halo as a research vesselWado SG 7/7/03 2:20 p.m.
                       Re: Halo as a research vesselMark Simmons 7/7/03 3:09 p.m.
                             Re: Halo as a research vesselRampant Cowboy 7/7/03 4:52 p.m.
                       Re: Halo as a research vesselRiley 7/15/03 2:12 p.m.
     My Halo opinioncrazyguy 7/7/03 9:33 p.m.
           How the dinosaurs REALLY died!Sterfrye36 7/11/03 1:20 p.m.
                 Re: How the dinosaurs REALLY died!Wintermute 7/12/03 11:16 a.m.
                 Re: How the dinosaurs REALLY died!Riley 7/12/03 9:12 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Riley 7/12/03 1:28 a.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Captian Podge 7/13/03 1:46 a.m.
                 Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Samurai Pizza Cat 7/13/03 8:25 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*DocOctavius 7/13/03 11:12 p.m.
     thinking too muchJohn Murphy 7/14/03 12:24 a.m.
           Re: thinking too muchgoatrope 7/14/03 12:31 a.m.
           why not? *NM*dizzy 7/14/03 12:37 a.m.
     nb pointsInvictus 7/14/03 1:35 a.m.
           Re: nb pointsFefoInAcan 7/14/03 2:16 a.m.
                 Long you say? I say "Pah!"goatrope 7/14/03 3:24 a.m.
                       Re: Long you say? I say "Pah!"FefoInAcan 7/14/03 1:36 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*someguy_99 7/14/03 3:13 a.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*Tim Jones 7/14/03 12:06 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*anonanonunumus 7/16/03 7:13 p.m.
                 Got your answer here.................KORHAL 7/16/03 8:00 p.m.
                       Re: Got your answer here.................Tim Jones 7/23/03 12:15 p.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*AtomicNuker1 7/19/03 5:14 p.m.
           Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*AtomicNuker1 7/20/03 11:15 a.m.
     Re: 343GS quotes and thoughts *long*CANTANATRIX 7/21/03 2:25 p.m.



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