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Re: Temporal Starting Point

Posted By: Hopper Date: 8/3/13 4:17 p.m.
In Response To: Re: Temporal Starting Point (Forrest of B.org)

: Ne Cede Malis is clearly not the end of Marathon 2, as Durandal muses about how if only he had had time to send you exploring Lh'owon, things might have turned out different, whereas M2 is all about exploring Lh'owon. So that option is out.
I see that as a nice callback to the mismatch between Marathon's ending and Marathon 2's beginning. After all, Ingue Ferroque has Durandal saying "I wish I could tell you more ... I'll send you a postcard from the galactic core if we're not too busy" before he apparently leaves you behind. Of course, there are ways to reconcile M1 with M2, but it wouldn't surprise me if rewriting a little history for M2 was a deliberate choice.
: That still leaves unexplained how the M2 timeline apparently has a long non-W'rk'd-up future ahead of it when by all accounts it shouldn't
Thinking about the way MI undoes M2's happy ending, I'm reminded of Ben Croshaw's column on the difficulty of most games' narrative structure, where you get stronger and stronger over the course of the game, as opposed to a traditional hero's journey with setbacks and all-is-lost points.
I wonder if Greg K. was trying to address that at a more meta level -- you get your traditional happy ending, but at the next game it's "nope, that's not how it really went, you're still in trouble." If you view M2 as pushing the reset button on Ingue Ferroque, and MI as pushing the reset button on M2's success, then the trilogy can be viewed more cohesively as a progressively fragmenting reality.
Or maybe it's just the result of an "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" attitude to plot holes!

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: : Ne Cede Malis is clearly not the end of Marathon 2, as Durandal muses : about how if only he had had time to send you exploring Lh'owon, things : might have turned out different, whereas M2 is all about exploring : Lh'owon. So that option is out. : I see that as a nice callback to the mismatch between Marathon's ending and : Marathon 2's beginning. After all, Ingue Ferroque has Durandal saying : " I wish I could tell you more ... I'll send you a postcard from the : galactic core if we're not too busy " before he apparently leaves you : behind. Of course, there are ways to reconcile M1 with M2, but it wouldn't : surprise me if rewriting a little history for M2 was a deliberate choice. : : That still leaves unexplained how the M2 timeline apparently has a long : non-W'rk'd-up future ahead of it when by all accounts it shouldn't : Thinking about the way MI undoes M2's happy ending, I'm reminded of Ben : Croshaw's column on the difficulty of most games' narrative structure, : where you get stronger and stronger over the course of the game, as : opposed to a traditional hero's journey with setbacks and all-is-lost : points. : I wonder if Greg K. was trying to address that at a more meta level -- you : get your traditional happy ending, but at the next game it's "nope, : that's not how it really went, you're still in trouble." If you : view M2 as pushing the reset button on Ingue Ferroque, and MI as pushing : the reset button on M2's success, then the trilogy can be viewed more : cohesively as a progressively fragmenting reality. : Or maybe it's just the result of an "if you can't beat 'em, join : 'em" attitude to plot holes!

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Temporal Starting Point	ShaunKL	7/31/13 5:13 p.m.
Re: Temporal Starting Point	Martin	7/31/13 5:59 p.m.
Re: Temporal Starting Point	ShaunKL	7/31/13 7:10 p.m.
Re: Temporal Starting Point	Roland	7/31/13 8:52 p.m.
Re: Temporal Starting Point	Godot	8/1/13 12:11 a.m.
Re: Temporal Starting Point	Roland	8/1/13 2:29 p.m.
Re: Temporal Starting Point	Godot	8/1/13 10:28 p.m.
Re: Temporal Starting Point	Roland	8/2/13 2:35 p.m.
Re: Temporal Starting Point	Godot	8/3/13 4:50 a.m.
Re: Temporal Starting Point	Roland	8/3/13 10:29 a.m.
Re: Temporal Starting Point	Godot	8/3/13 11:05 a.m.
Re: Temporal Starting Point	Roland	8/3/13 1:43 p.m.
Re: Temporal Starting Point	Forrest of B.org	8/3/13 11:15 a.m.
Re: Temporal Starting Point	Roland	8/3/13 1:36 p.m.
Re: Temporal Starting Point	Hopper	8/3/13 2:48 p.m.
Re: Temporal Starting Point	Forrest of B.org	8/3/13 3:16 p.m.
Re: Temporal Starting Point	Hopper	8/3/13 3:28 p.m.
Re: Temporal Starting Point	Roland	8/3/13 3:46 p.m.
Re: Temporal Starting Point	Hopper	8/3/13 4:17 p.m.
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Re: This may be totally bonkers...	Martin	8/6/13 10:41 a.m.
Re: This may be totally bonkers...	Roland	8/6/13 2:22 p.m.
Re: This may be totally bonkers...	Martin	8/6/13 6:22 p.m.
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Re: Temporal Starting Point	Roland	8/3/13 4:53 p.m.
Re: Temporal Starting Point	ShaunKL	8/3/13 5:18 p.m.
Re: Temporal Starting Point	Roland	8/3/13 8:57 p.m.



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