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Re: PiD monster health

Posted By: Hopper Date: 2/17/12 8:57 a.m.
In Response To: Re: PiD monster health (Earthtopus)

: So the knife hits for 20 (2x headless, 4x zombies, 5x ghouls, 12x ghasts, in
: my experience--although why ghasts wouldn't require 11 stabs I don't know.
: Trust me, I'm stabbing a lot of them these days, though.)
Two possibilities work for these cases: the knife hits for 19, or monsters actually die when they fall below zero health, instead of when they reach zero.
I hex-edited the first Headless to test this out. At 39 health, he took two stabs. At 40, he took three. While Bungie logic is often counter-intuitive, the simplest explanation is that the knife hits for 20 and monsters die when the damage exceeds their health.
Who wants to do more damage tests? Good news, kids, you can do this experiment at home. All you need is PiD, a hex editor, and a hex calculator.
- Move your "Saved Games" file out of the way, and create a new one by launching Pathways and then quitting without ever saving.
- (Optional) Use Pathways into Cheating, to give yourself whatever equipment you need for testing.
- In a hex editor, change the two bytes at offset 30544 (0x7750) to set the Headless' health. I'm using OS X's awesome Hex Fiend, which has a hex-to-decimal viewer built in as a bonus.

Notice that the value in the screenshot is 0x0023, which in decimal is 35. I changed those bytes to "00 27" and "00 28" in my two tests.
- Don't forget to save! And, if you moved the "Saved Games" file to a different spot to edit it, move it back to your game folder.
- Launch Pathways, and choose "Begin" on the first (and only) save slot.
With that process, the damage calculations (aside from monster-specific effects) can be yours, with a whole lot of time and patience. As Speaker put it: I'm too busy to do it, but I'm not too busy to tell someone else to do it :)

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: Two possibilities work for these cases: the knife hits for 19, or monsters : actually die when they fall below zero health, instead of when they reach : zero. : I hex-edited the first Headless to test this out. At 39 health, he took two : stabs. At 40, he took three. While Bungie logic is often : counter-intuitive, the simplest explanation is that the knife hits for 20 : and monsters die when the damage exceeds their health. : Who wants to do more damage tests? Good news, kids, you can do this : experiment at home. All you need is PiD, a hex editor, and a hex : calculator. : - Move your "Saved Games" file out of the way, and create a new one : by launching Pathways and then quitting without ever saving. : - (Optional) Use Pathways into Cheating, to give yourself whatever equipment : you need for testing. : - In a hex editor, change the two bytes at offset 30544 (0x7750) to set the : Headless' health. I'm using OS X's awesome Hex Fiend, which has a : hex-to-decimal viewer built in as a bonus. : : Notice that the value in the screenshot is 0x0023, which in decimal is 35. I : changed those bytes to "00 27" and "00 28" in my two : tests. : - Don't forget to save! And, if you moved the "Saved Games" file to : a different spot to edit it, move it back to your game folder. : - Launch Pathways, and choose "Begin" on the first (and only) save : slot. : With that process, the damage calculations (aside from monster-specific : effects) can be yours, with a whole lot of time and patience. As Speaker : put it: I'm too busy to do it, but I'm not too busy to tell someone else : to do it :)

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PiD monster health	Hopper	2/16/12 7:17 p.m.
Re: PiD monster health	Earthtopus	2/16/12 8:07 p.m.
Re: PiD monster health	Hopper	2/16/12 8:58 p.m.
Re: PiD monster health	Godot	2/17/12 5:34 a.m.
Re: Barney	Earthtopus	2/17/12 7:08 a.m.
Re: Barney LINK	Godot	2/17/12 7:29 a.m.
Re: PiD monster health	Earthtopus	2/16/12 8:17 p.m.
Re: PiD monster health	Hopper	2/17/12 8:57 a.m.
Re: PiD monster health	Ron Hunsinger	3/1/12 4:34 a.m.
Re: PiD monster health	Hopper	2/17/12 11:30 a.m.
Re: PiD monster health	Earthtopus	2/17/12 11:41 a.m.
Re: PiD monster health	Hopper	2/17/12 4:00 p.m.
Re: PiD monster health	Earthtopus	2/17/12 4:25 p.m.



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	Message: : Two possibilities work for these cases: the knife hits for 19, or monsters : actually die when they fall below zero health, instead of when they reach : zero. : I hex-edited the first Headless to test this out. At 39 health, he took two : stabs. At 40, he took three. While Bungie logic is often : counter-intuitive, the simplest explanation is that the knife hits for 20 : and monsters die when the damage exceeds their health. : Who wants to do more damage tests? Good news, kids, you can do this : experiment at home. All you need is PiD, a hex editor, and a hex : calculator. : - Move your "Saved Games" file out of the way, and create a new one : by launching Pathways and then quitting without ever saving. : - (Optional) Use Pathways into Cheating, to give yourself whatever equipment : you need for testing. : - In a hex editor, change the two bytes at offset 30544 (0x7750) to set the : Headless' health. I'm using OS X's awesome Hex Fiend, which has a : hex-to-decimal viewer built in as a bonus. : : Notice that the value in the screenshot is 0x0023, which in decimal is 35. I : changed those bytes to "00 27" and "00 28" in my two : tests. : - Don't forget to save! And, if you moved the "Saved Games" file to : a different spot to edit it, move it back to your game folder. : - Launch Pathways, and choose "Begin" on the first (and only) save : slot. : With that process, the damage calculations (aside from monster-specific : effects) can be yours, with a whole lot of time and patience. As Speaker : put it: I'm too busy to do it, but I'm not too busy to tell someone else : to do it :)
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