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Re: The 11th Hour - good job so far

Posted By: Forrest of B.org Date: 9/1/04 3:51 p.m.
In Response To: Re: The 11th Hour - good job so far (Steve Levinson)

: Forrest,
: I've been playing Mk II for a couple of hours on TC and have finished the
: first 3 levels and just started the 4th. So far, I like what I see. I take
: it you didn't change level 1 that much - I didn't notice anything major,
: but it's definitely grown on me.
I added stairs to the first room (so you don't have to use the transporter), as well as to the big dropoff that you suggested. In making stairs for the dropoff I had to lower the ceiling for the next room, which blocked off the short route back from the later parts of the level, forcing players to go around to some hallways they otherwise could have skipped, which I thought was a happy accident.
: You have some nice Marathonesque vistas
: that I'd missed the first time through - I still think the doors, PBs etc
: should look more metalic and less like concrete, and I think the switch
: designs on the Marathon and on the Pfhor ship are too similar - but I feel
: much more comfortable with it all now.
I didn't change the Set 4 textures at all, in too much of a hurry just to get Chapter 2 done, but there will be a round of revisions at some point hopefully soon, and making the terms/switches/etc metal instead of concrete is on the to-do list. Good idea about differentiating the switches too, I had planned to do that once a long time ago and I guess I just spaced on it or something.
: Level 2 is tremendously improved. I
: would have loved to see lava, but that might take a lot more work. (Did
: you read the information I posted from Chris Lund on how to include 2
: liquids in one level?) What you did do, however, is awesome - I really
: like that new control room a lot, and the underwater tunnels are pretty
: cool.
The new control room is DMA's doing. The underwater tunnels were an easy (partial) reimplementation of the old way things used to be like back when it was lava. I did get the 2-media info but I haven't implemented it yet, that's low on my priority list, but it's something to check out later.
: But this brings up an important point - the sewage is not depleting
: my O2. I don't think it did on the first level either, but there isn't
: that much of it there. I'll be curious to see if anyone else has that
: problem.
I'm not entirely sure that's a real bug, because I added a feature in Mark II. I realized that you can set an oxygen recharge or depletion rate for when the player is not underwater or in vaccum, and figured that it actually makes perfect sense that when you are IN THE AIR, your suit can recapture some of it's lost oxygen. I plan to make use of this at some later level, in chapter 5 most likely, where large portions are under water and you must surface in small breathable areas, under heavy attack, and hold your ground until you can recharge enough air to continue on through the next underwater segment.
: BTW, the enforcers kill me just fine, now ;^) The exit from the
: secret 3X recharger room works now, but if you think this is a secret,
: it's not at all. Players will natrually stop at the end of a hall before
: turning the corner, so almost everyone will find this one. I would suggest
: two things - make the transport poly less apparent - perhaps at the bottom
: of one of the sewage pools - and make the 3X recharger itself a secret
: within a secret, obtained by a more sneeky strategy than just stepping
: into a teleporter. Let the teleporter bypass the 3X recharger room and
: hide access to the real secret.
Ah, I know what happened here. In the old Lava version, that corner poly was at -9WU, and players naturally tried not to fall down there (it's also kinda hard to fall down such a narrow shaft in Marathon, unless you run your nose staight into the corner). I had changed it to be that way again, but then DMA sent me his revision and I forgot to make the change to that version too. Nevertheless, I think you're onto a better idea - hide the secret somewhere else, maybe in one of the parts of the level that you normally don't have to go to, or that are hard to get to with all the broken doors.
: And thanks for the added chargers/PBs in
: level 3 - I liked this level to begin with, but this way the player has a
: much better chance of avoiding repeating the end of level 2.
: Good work!
Thanks Steve! You brought a smile to me face today :-)

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: I added stairs to the first room (so you don't have to use the transporter), : as well as to the big dropoff that you suggested. In making stairs for the : dropoff I had to lower the ceiling for the next room, which blocked off : the short route back from the later parts of the level, forcing players to : go around to some hallways they otherwise could have skipped, which I : thought was a happy accident. : I didn't change the Set 4 textures at all, in too much of a hurry just to get : Chapter 2 done, but there will be a round of revisions at some point : hopefully soon, and making the terms/switches/etc metal instead of : concrete is on the to-do list. Good idea about differentiating the : switches too, I had planned to do that once a long time ago and I guess I : just spaced on it or something. : The new control room is DMA's doing. The underwater tunnels were an easy : (partial) reimplementation of the old way things used to be like back when : it was lava. I did get the 2-media info but I haven't implemented it yet, : that's low on my priority list, but it's something to check out later. : I'm not entirely sure that's a real bug, because I added a feature in Mark : II. I realized that you can set an oxygen recharge or depletion rate for : when the player is not underwater or in vaccum, and figured that it : actually makes perfect sense that when you are IN THE AIR, your suit can : recapture some of it's lost oxygen. I plan to make use of this at some : later level, in chapter 5 most likely, where large portions are under : water and you must surface in small breathable areas, under heavy attack, : and hold your ground until you can recharge enough air to continue on : through the next underwater segment. : Ah, I know what happened here. In the old Lava version, that corner poly was : at -9WU, and players naturally tried not to fall down there (it's also : kinda hard to fall down such a narrow shaft in Marathon, unless you run : your nose staight into the corner). I had changed it to be that way again, : but then DMA sent me his revision and I forgot to make the change to that : version too. Nevertheless, I think you're onto a better idea - hide the : secret somewhere else, maybe in one of the parts of the level that you : normally don't have to go to, or that are hard to get to with all the : broken doors. : Thanks Steve! You brought a smile to me face today :-)

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The 11th Hour	Forrest of B.org	8/31/04 9:00 p.m.
Re: The 11th Hour - good job so far	Steve Levinson	9/1/04 9:47 a.m.
Re: The 11th Hour - good job so far	blake37	9/1/04 3:29 p.m.
Re: The 11th Hour - good job so far	Forrest of B.org	9/1/04 3:38 p.m.
Re: The 11th Hour - good job so far	blake37	9/1/04 4:11 p.m.
just started the mac 512 download, it'l be awhile NM	blake37	9/1/04 4:14 p.m.
Re: just started the mac 512 download, it'l be awh	blake37	9/1/04 4:55 p.m.
Re: just started the mac 512 download, it'l be awh	blake37	9/1/04 4:58 p.m.
Re: just started the mac 512 download, it'l be awh	blake37	9/2/04 3:18 a.m.
Re: just started the mac 512 download, it'l be awh	blake37	9/2/04 3:57 a.m.
Re: just started the mac 512 download, it'l be awh	a disreputable source	9/1/04 5:03 p.m.
Re: just started the mac 512 download, it'l be awh	blake37	9/2/04 5:01 a.m.
Re: just started the mac 512 download, it'l be awh	blake37	9/2/04 5:14 a.m.
Re: just started the mac 512 download, it'l be awh	a disreputable source	9/2/04 9:29 a.m.
Re: just started the mac 512 download, it'l be awh	blake37	9/2/04 9:34 a.m.
Re: The 11th Hour - good job so far	Forrest of B.org	9/1/04 3:51 p.m.
Re: The 11th Hour - good job so far	Steve Levinson	9/1/04 5:17 p.m.
Re: The 11th Hour - good job so far	Forrest of B.org	9/1/04 6:55 p.m.
Re: The 11th Hour - good job so far	Steve Levinson	9/2/04 3:39 a.m.
Re: The 11th Hour - good job so far	Forrest of B.org	9/2/04 6:25 a.m.
Re: The 11th Hour - good job so far	Steve Levinson	9/2/04 6:44 p.m.
Re: The 11th Hour - good job so far	Forrest of B.org	9/2/04 7:26 p.m.
Re: The 11th Hour - good job so far	Steve Levinson	9/2/04 7:57 p.m.
Re: The 11th Hour - good job so far	Forrest of B.org	9/2/04 8:45 p.m.
Re: The 11th Hour - good job so far	Steve Levinson	9/2/04 9:35 p.m.
Re: The 11th Hour - good job so far	D-M.A.	9/1/04 7:06 p.m.
Re: The 11th Hour - good job so far	Dr. John Sumner	9/2/04 3:51 a.m.
Re: The 11th Hour - good job so far	Steve Levinson	9/2/04 5:18 a.m.
Re: The 11th Hour - good job so far	Dr. John Sumner	9/2/04 8:03 a.m.
Re: The 11th Hour - good job so far	Forrest of B.org	9/2/04 9:26 a.m.
Re: The 11th Hour - good job so far	Dr. John Sumner	9/2/04 11:16 a.m.
Re: The 11th Hour - good job so far	Dr. John Sumner	9/2/04 11:43 a.m.
Re: The 11th Hour - good job so far	Steve Levinson	9/2/04 1:31 p.m.
Re: The 11th Hour - good job so far	Dr. John Sumner	9/2/04 2:09 p.m.
Re: The 11th Hour - good job so far	Forrest of B.org	9/2/04 2:44 p.m.
Re: The 11th Hour - good job so far	Steve Levinson	9/2/04 6:17 p.m.
Re: The 11th Hour - good job so far	Forrest of B.org	9/2/04 6:31 p.m.
Re: The 11th Hour - good job so far	Steve Levinson	9/2/04 7:14 p.m.
Re: The 11th Hour - good job so far	Forrest of B.org	9/2/04 7:42 p.m.
Re: The 11th Hour - good job so far	Steve Levinson	9/2/04 7:54 p.m.
Re: The 11th Hour - good job so far	blake37	9/3/04 3:48 a.m.
Re: The 11th Hour - good job so far	Steve Levinson	9/3/04 6:03 a.m.
Re: The 11th Hour - good job so far	blake37	9/3/04 7:00 a.m.
Re: The 11th Hour - good job so far	Forrest of B.org	9/2/04 6:29 a.m.
Level 6 Nightmare	Steve Levinson	9/3/04 8:02 a.m.



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	Message: : I added stairs to the first room (so you don't have to use the transporter), : as well as to the big dropoff that you suggested. In making stairs for the : dropoff I had to lower the ceiling for the next room, which blocked off : the short route back from the later parts of the level, forcing players to : go around to some hallways they otherwise could have skipped, which I : thought was a happy accident. : I didn't change the Set 4 textures at all, in too much of a hurry just to get : Chapter 2 done, but there will be a round of revisions at some point : hopefully soon, and making the terms/switches/etc metal instead of : concrete is on the to-do list. Good idea about differentiating the : switches too, I had planned to do that once a long time ago and I guess I : just spaced on it or something. : The new control room is DMA's doing. The underwater tunnels were an easy : (partial) reimplementation of the old way things used to be like back when : it was lava. I did get the 2-media info but I haven't implemented it yet, : that's low on my priority list, but it's something to check out later. : I'm not entirely sure that's a real bug, because I added a feature in Mark : II. I realized that you can set an oxygen recharge or depletion rate for : when the player is not underwater or in vaccum, and figured that it : actually makes perfect sense that when you are IN THE AIR, your suit can : recapture some of it's lost oxygen. I plan to make use of this at some : later level, in chapter 5 most likely, where large portions are under : water and you must surface in small breathable areas, under heavy attack, : and hold your ground until you can recharge enough air to continue on : through the next underwater segment. : Ah, I know what happened here. In the old Lava version, that corner poly was : at -9WU, and players naturally tried not to fall down there (it's also : kinda hard to fall down such a narrow shaft in Marathon, unless you run : your nose staight into the corner). I had changed it to be that way again, : but then DMA sent me his revision and I forgot to make the change to that : version too. Nevertheless, I think you're onto a better idea - hide the : secret somewhere else, maybe in one of the parts of the level that you : normally don't have to go to, or that are hard to get to with all the : broken doors. : Thanks Steve! You brought a smile to me face today :-)
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