Re: S'pht reproduction theory


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Re: S'pht reproduction theory

Posted By: Durandal_1707 Date: 1/3/16 1:41 a.m.
In Response To: Re: S'pht reproduction theory (PerseusSpartacus)

: : (The Trilogy is kinda fuzzy on who or what Yrro and Pthia specifically
: were,
: I had a theory way back about this exact question. In fact, I described it in
: my fourth post ever, way back in 2012. I'll quote some of it: "As
: I believe Hamish has mentioned before (maybe I'm thinking of someone else,
: but I think it was Hamish), Yrro and Jjaro are just different spellings of
: the same phonetic word. Yrro is an individual but Jjaro is a race? What?!
: The same word meaning two different things? What if the terminals
: referring to Yrro are just generalizing? In other words, what if there is
: no individual Yrro? What if the reference to Yrro was a metaphor?"
: In other words, Yrro is really a personification of the entire Jjaro race
: developed in S'pht lore. There is a lot of precedent for such a thing. The
: entire Bible is full of such stories, one example being David and Goliath.
: One major theory behind that story (and one that I personally really like)
: is that Goliath is a personification of the might of the Philistines, and
: David's interaction with Goliath is symbolic of the nature of the broader
: conflict between the Israelites and the Philistines during the Kingdom's
: early years.
: These sorts of things happen all the time in ancient mythologies. The main
: reason for this is the nature of oral traditions - when events are not
: written down, there's a constant tendency for the story to morph and
: change with time. Whole groups of people are condensed into a single
: person, events are made more grandiose, little allegories are added into
: the gaps in the story, et cetera. I think a similar thing is happening
: here: the events involving the Jjaro and the W'rkncacnter occurred in the
: most early ages of S'pht civilization, and the result is a set of
: mythologies that have undergone the same kind of modification process as,
: for example, the Bible.
: So, if Yrro is a personification of the Jjaro as a whole, then who is Pthia?
: Is she, likewise, a personification?
My personal theory is that the Jjaro were a race of AIs, and Yrro was a representative of that race. Jjaro were symbiotic, though; they were intended to be paired with another AI, focused on balance, which would prevent them from going rampant. Pthia was one of these (cf. the terminal in Aye Mak Sicur where Yrro is lamenting the loss of Pthia; "endless ancient balance / then nothing"). Thoth was one of this type of AI as well, possibly S'bhuth's mate, left behind in K'lia's sudden departure ("I was left behind" in "We're Everywhere"; "he was not meant to be alone" in "Charon Doesn't Make Change"). Durandal, of course, is a Yrro-type AI; however, since he was created by human programmers reverse engineering Jjaro tech and who consequently didn't really know what they were doing, he was never paired with a Pthia-type AI, and in fact, this is why every single human AI we ever get any reference to in the game eventually ends up going rampant.
When Durandal and Thoth are merged, the combined entity tells you "We are whole again" — notice the "again". This sentence wouldn't make sense if Durandal and Thoth had been functionally complete entities before the merger.
: Now, the bit about Yrro and Pthia bringing the S'pht to Lh'owon is a little
: strange, but not altogether inconceivable. Seeing themselves as so
: different from all other beings on their planet, the S'pht would naturally
: have thought themselves distinct, separate, altogether different in origin
: than the fauna of Lh'owon. So, nothing too troubling there.
The S'pht likely consider their sense of "self" to come from the mechanical implants, rather than the biological component. Remember, they've never met any entity that was sentient without cybernetic implants, and thus believe that they are necessary for sentience, with the organic component merely being a vehicle and/or power source of sorts (which further suggests that the Jjaro weren't organic either).
Since the Jjaro brought the cybernetic implants to Lh'owon, it fits their history.

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Re: S'pht reproduction theory General-RADIX 12/31/15 6:39 a.m.

Re: S'pht reproduction theory Lion O Cyborg 1/1/16 3:37 a.m.

Re: S'pht reproduction theory General-RADIX 1/1/16 4:40 a.m.

Re: S'pht reproduction theory Tacticus 1/1/16 8:34 a.m.

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Re: S'pht reproduction theory Tacticus 1/1/16 9:46 a.m.

Re: S'pht reproduction theory PerseusSpartacus 1/1/16 9:02 a.m.

Re: S'pht reproduction theory General-RADIX 1/1/16 9:43 a.m.

Re: S'pht reproduction theory PerseusSpartacus 1/1/16 1:02 p.m.

Re: S'pht reproduction theory Tacticus 1/1/16 9:54 a.m.

Re: S'pht reproduction theory VikingBoyBilly 1/1/16 4:02 p.m.

Re: S'pht reproduction theory Durandal_1707 1/3/16 1:41 a.m.

Re: S'pht reproduction theory General-RADIX 1/3/16 4:44 a.m.

Re: S'pht reproduction theory VikingBoyBilly 1/3/16 10:24 a.m.

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Re: S'pht reproduction theory Durandal_1707 1/4/16 1:10 a.m.

Re: S'pht reproduction theory Lion O Cyborg 1/4/16 6:27 a.m.

Re: S'pht reproduction theory Tacticus 1/4/16 12:03 p.m.

Re: S'pht reproduction theory Forrest of B.org 1/4/16 4:40 p.m.

Re: S'pht reproduction theory VikingBoyBilly 1/5/16 4:38 a.m.

Re: S'pht reproduction theory Forrest of B.org 1/5/16 10:17 a.m.

Re: S'pht reproduction theory Durandal_1707 1/6/16 2:45 p.m.

Re: S'pht reproduction theory Hokuto 1/5/16 9:42 a.m.

Oh, right. *NM* VikingBoyBilly 1/5/16 1:01 p.m.

Re: S'pht reproduction theory Lion O Cyborg 1/2/16 8:19 a.m.

Re: S'pht reproduction theory Forrest of B.org 1/2/16 9:43 a.m.

Re: S'pht reproduction theory Tacticus 1/1/16 8:20 a.m.

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: My personal theory is that the Jjaro were a race of AIs, and Yrro was a : representative of that race. Jjaro were symbiotic, though; they were : intended to be paired with another AI, focused on balance, which would : prevent them from going rampant. Pthia was one of these (cf. the terminal : in Aye Mak Sicur where Yrro is lamenting the loss of Pthia; "endless : ancient balance / then nothing"). Thoth was one of this type of AI as : well, possibly S'bhuth's mate, left behind in K'lia's sudden departure : ("I was left behind" in "We're Everywhere"; "he : was not meant to be alone" in "Charon Doesn't Make : Change"). Durandal, of course, is a Yrro-type AI; however, since he : was created by human programmers reverse engineering Jjaro tech and who : consequently didn't really know what they were doing, he was never paired : with a Pthia-type AI, and in fact, this is why every single human AI we : ever get any reference to in the game eventually ends up going rampant. : When Durandal and Thoth are merged, the combined entity tells you "We : are whole again" — notice the "again". This sentence : wouldn't make sense if Durandal and Thoth had been functionally complete : entities before the merger. : The S'pht likely consider their sense of "self" to come from the : mechanical implants, rather than the biological component. Remember, : they've never met any entity that was sentient without cybernetic : implants, and thus believe that they are necessary for sentience, with the : organic component merely being a vehicle and/or power source of sorts : (which further suggests that the Jjaro weren't organic either). : Since the Jjaro brought the cybernetic implants to Lh'owon, it fits their : history.

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S'pht reproduction theory	VikingBoyBilly	12/31/15 6:02 a.m.
Re: S'pht reproduction theory	General-RADIX	12/31/15 6:39 a.m.
Re: S'pht reproduction theory	Lion O Cyborg	1/1/16 3:37 a.m.
Re: S'pht reproduction theory	General-RADIX	1/1/16 4:40 a.m.
Re: S'pht reproduction theory	Tacticus	1/1/16 8:34 a.m.
Re: S'pht reproduction theory	General-RADIX	1/1/16 9:27 a.m.
Re: S'pht reproduction theory	Tacticus	1/1/16 9:46 a.m.
Re: S'pht reproduction theory	PerseusSpartacus	1/1/16 9:02 a.m.
Re: S'pht reproduction theory	General-RADIX	1/1/16 9:43 a.m.
Re: S'pht reproduction theory	PerseusSpartacus	1/1/16 1:02 p.m.
Re: S'pht reproduction theory	Tacticus	1/1/16 9:54 a.m.
Re: S'pht reproduction theory	VikingBoyBilly	1/1/16 4:02 p.m.
Re: S'pht reproduction theory	Durandal_1707	1/3/16 1:41 a.m.
Re: S'pht reproduction theory	General-RADIX	1/3/16 4:44 a.m.
Re: S'pht reproduction theory	VikingBoyBilly	1/3/16 10:24 a.m.
Re: S'pht reproduction theory	Durandal_1707	1/3/16 12:01 p.m.
Re: S'pht reproduction theory	VikingBoyBilly	1/3/16 5:26 p.m.
Re: S'pht reproduction theory	Durandal_1707	1/4/16 1:10 a.m.
Re: S'pht reproduction theory	Lion O Cyborg	1/4/16 6:27 a.m.
Re: S'pht reproduction theory	Tacticus	1/4/16 12:03 p.m.
Re: S'pht reproduction theory	Forrest of B.org	1/4/16 4:40 p.m.
Re: S'pht reproduction theory	VikingBoyBilly	1/5/16 4:38 a.m.
Re: S'pht reproduction theory	Forrest of B.org	1/5/16 10:17 a.m.
Re: S'pht reproduction theory	Durandal_1707	1/6/16 2:45 p.m.
Re: S'pht reproduction theory	Hokuto	1/5/16 9:42 a.m.
Oh, right. NM	VikingBoyBilly	1/5/16 1:01 p.m.
Re: S'pht reproduction theory	Lion O Cyborg	1/2/16 8:19 a.m.
Re: S'pht reproduction theory	Forrest of B.org	1/2/16 9:43 a.m.
Re: S'pht reproduction theory	Tacticus	1/1/16 8:20 a.m.



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