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Posted By: RC Master <rc_master_111@hotmail.com>Date: 2/27/11 11:09 a.m.

In Response To: Why We Should Never Go Back to 1-50.. or (FyreWulff)


: 5) Halo 2's ranking system was also used in matchmaking, in both ranked and
: social (guests allowed) playlists. Since the rating system encouraged you
: to play people near their ranks, you'd end up with massive gaps of rank.

: Everyone was clumped together into little islands of skill.

What? Really?

I would LOVE a source for this.

: Every Xbox 360 game uses Trueskill for matchmaking... Call of Duty,

Are you sure? It never seemed like it. Since it was cross-platform, and the match times were always lighting quick, often horridly unbalanced, and works on a drop-in-drop out model, I was under the impression that it distinctly did not use any skill ranking what-so-over.

The main advantage is that there are probably libraries of implementations readily available for 360 developers.

: But it also led to
: people 'earning' a 50 in a playlist and then never touching it again for
: fear of 'losing their 50', even though their service record was always
: going to permanently show them as a 50 in the lobby. This led to
: population bleedout at the higher ranks of most playlists.

If you look at the distribution of player's High Skills in Chris Butcher's talk, there is clear evidence of population bleedout from ranked MM across the baord. HS 10? Bleedout. HS 20? Bleedout. HS 30? Bleedout. HS 35? Bleedout. Etc.

HS 50 might have been most talked about (it was the only way to become the Highest rank (general), but the fact that military ranks were tied to your HS skewed the entire scale.

: In addition to this, a player's cR is not displayed in-game to other players
: anywhere. This prevents cR from being treated like EXP so people are
: encouraged to spend and not hoard it.

Interesting point. Hadn't thought of that.

: The
: Halo 2 and 3 systems punished the fans of Campaign - now it is
: theoretically possible to hit Inheritor without playing a single
: matchmaking game.

Ha!!! I'd like to see someone try!

The unearned rate is 1/5th of the equivalent in Matchmaking and the non-solo firefight playlists. Even the rate in co-op matchmaking is gimped. You earn no commendations, there are no performance bonuses, there is no slot machine bonus, the challenges are few and far between, often pay out little, and your game complete earn is capped after the first 10 minutes of play.

All the credits in campaign, custom firefight, custom competitive and Forge do is mock the player. Taunting them that they could be earning many times the amount of credits if they just stepped into MM.

: When the Arena Rating was originally
: announced? I thought it was going to be broken within a month. But there
: it is, still standing.

No. Its not actually. Its use to FFA sort players is GONE for season 7. It attempted, admirably, to gather more information from each game to speed up the skill rating process. But this turned the goal from beating the other team, into getting a better rating than everyone else in the game. Queue the rise in underhanded tactics to ensure your own high rating at the expense of even those palyers on your team.

: Microsoft's research people like the brag about how good Trueskill is. It can
: figure out your skill level in as little as 8-10 games.

This highly depends upon what the game setup is. (i.e. more teams with less players = faster conversion).

The estimated number of games per gamer in 8 man FFA is 3-9. Bungie ensured you played a good deal more than that in the first 6 seasons of Arena (what was it? 40?)

Conversely, in 4v4, pure trueskill, it actually is estimated to take 50-150 games. Thats why the seasons will have to be 3 times as long now. Greater 'permanance' of ranks is more of a happy coincidence.

: The older system was probably just a bit too accurately placing people on
: the TS spectrum.

Thats a rather stupid thing to say: since theres no such thing. Aforementioned weirdness of trying to maximise your rating rather than playing to win. Plus, personally, I think the assist system (which the Arena rating is very dependant upon) is broken.

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Why We Should Never Go Back to 1-50.. orFyreWulff 2/26/11 3:25 p.m.
     Re: Why We Should Never Go Back to 1-50.. orPkmnrulz240 2/26/11 3:42 p.m.
     Excellent, excellent post *NM*mr_mcmurder 2/26/11 4:00 p.m.
     I agree with your opinion, good sir.snakegriffin 2/26/11 4:10 p.m.
     Re: Why We Should Never Go Back to 1-50.. orHyokin 2/26/11 4:14 p.m.
     Re: Why We Should Never Go Back to 1-50.. orZackDark 2/26/11 4:15 p.m.
     Re: Why We Should Never Go Back to 1-50.. orKalamariKidd 2/26/11 4:46 p.m.
     I don't play Arena...munky-058 2/26/11 4:54 p.m.
     Re: Why We Should Never Go Back to 1-50.. orDEEP NNN 2/26/11 5:00 p.m.
           Re: Why We Should Never Go Back to 1-50.. orGrimBrother One 2/26/11 5:05 p.m.
                 Re: Why We Should Never Go Back to 1-50.. orLouis Wu 2/26/11 5:07 p.m.
                       Re: Why We Should Never Go Back to 1-50.. orDEEP NNN 2/26/11 5:13 p.m.
                             Re: Why We Should Never Go Back to 1-50.. orDani 2/26/11 6:34 p.m.
                                   Re: Why We Should Never Go Back to 1-50.. orFyreWulff 2/26/11 6:53 p.m.
                                   Re: Why We Should Never Go Back to 1-50.. orDEEP NNN 2/26/11 7:02 p.m.
                                         Re: Why We Should Never Go Back to 1-50.. orDani 2/26/11 9:05 p.m.
                       Re: Why We Should Never Go Back to 1-50.. orbluerunner 2/26/11 7:36 p.m.
                             Ranksdogcom 2/26/11 7:53 p.m.
                                   Re: RanksDEEP NNN 2/26/11 8:05 p.m.
                                         Re: RanksFyreWulff 2/26/11 8:08 p.m.
                 Re: Why We Should Never Go Back to 1-50.. orDEEP NNN 2/26/11 5:09 p.m.
                 Re: Why We Should Never Go Back to 1-50.. orvlad3163 2/26/11 10:10 p.m.
     But CR = Idlers Paradisesharpsniper99 2/26/11 6:41 p.m.
           Re: But CR = Idlers ParadiseFyreWulff 2/26/11 7:05 p.m.
                 Re: But CR = Idlers ParadiseFyreWulff 2/26/11 7:15 p.m.
                 Re: But CR = Idlers Paradisesharpsniper99 2/27/11 4:34 a.m.
                       Re: But CR = Idlers Paradisesharpsniper99 2/27/11 5:04 a.m.
     PS. Fyrefulff, Gr1m?munky-058 2/26/11 6:46 p.m.
           Re: PS. Fyrefulff, Gr1m?FyreWulff 2/26/11 7:45 p.m.
                 Fyrefluff? That's OUSTANDING!munky-058 2/26/11 8:02 p.m.
     Nicedogcom 2/26/11 7:57 p.m.
     I actually read the whole thing. *NM*SonGoharotto 2/26/11 8:11 p.m.
           Bleep Bloop *NM*FyreWulff 2/26/11 8:12 p.m.
     Sup Devin OlsenFyreWulff 2/26/11 8:12 p.m.
           Re: Sup Devin OlsenDevin Olsen 2/26/11 8:37 p.m.
                 Re: Sup Devin OlsenFyreWulff 2/26/11 8:47 p.m.
                 Re: Sup Devin OlsenSonGoharotto 2/26/11 9:04 p.m.
                       Re: Sup Devin OlsenArteenEsben 2/26/11 9:33 p.m.
                             Re: Sup Devin OlsenDevin Olsen 2/26/11 9:52 p.m.
                                   Re: Sup Devin Olsenmunky-058 2/26/11 10:09 p.m.
                                         Re: Sup Devin OlsenSonGoharotto 2/27/11 8:31 a.m.
                                   Re: Sup Devin OlsenGeneral Vagueness 2/26/11 10:52 p.m.
                                         Re: Sup Devin OlsenHawaiian Pig 2/27/11 4:33 p.m.
                                               Re: Sup Devin OlsenHawaiian Pig 2/27/11 4:37 p.m.
                                                     Re: Sup Devin OlsenGeneral Vagueness 2/27/11 5:52 p.m.
                 Re: Sup Devin OlsenBlueNinja 2/27/11 5:56 a.m.
     Nice post.Gravemind 2/27/11 2:44 a.m.
           Re: Nice post.DEEP NNN 2/27/11 8:20 a.m.
                 Re: Nice post.BlueNinja 2/27/11 9:49 a.m.
                       Re: Nice post.FyreWulff 2/27/11 10:07 a.m.
                             Re: Nice post.BlueNinja 2/27/11 12:00 p.m.
                             Re: Nice post.Gravemind 2/27/11 12:32 p.m.
           Re: Nice post.FyreWulff 2/27/11 9:38 a.m.
                 if you flag hold on my teamkidtsunami 2/27/11 3:37 p.m.
                       Re: if you flag hold on my teamFyreWulff 2/27/11 4:15 p.m.
                             ^ I have the same mindset as you two.NsU Soldier 2/27/11 7:33 p.m.
     Re: Why We Should Never Go Back to 1-50.. orZogen 2/27/11 4:29 a.m.
     Re: Why We Should Never Go Back to 1-50.. orzonemanwilf 2/27/11 4:42 a.m.
           Re: Why We Should Never Go Back to 1-50.. orDEEP NNN 2/27/11 9:07 a.m.
           Re: Why We Should Never Go Back to 1-50.. orFyreWulff 2/27/11 10:05 a.m.
           Re: Why We Should Never Go Back to 1-50.. orKalamariKidd 2/27/11 10:17 a.m.
     Some notes....RC Master 2/27/11 11:09 a.m.
           Re: Some notes....FyreWulff 2/27/11 11:47 a.m.
                 Re: Some notes....RC Master 2/28/11 9:28 a.m.
                       Re: Some notes....FyreWulff 2/28/11 10:01 a.m.
     Wholeheartedly agree *NM*kidtsunami 2/28/11 12:05 a.m.



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