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Re: You're just old.
Posted By: Narcogen <narcogen@rampancy.net>Date: 8/8/06 11:21 p.m.

In Response To: Re: You're just old. (Miguel Chavez)

: I've already answered Ducain's post, but let me just say, and no offense
: really, but if someone were to submit a video of a 10 second run through
: T&R, or Cairo Station, I would never download the video. There's
: absolutely zero appeal to me of a vid like that. If that's an example of
: the holy nirvana of speedruns, then so be it. Maybe I'm speaking to the
: other folks out there, lurkers to this forum, that if you feel the same
: way about these kind of runs, you're not alone. It's not like there can't
: be room for various flavors of runs. Sorry that this topic got started as
: an attack on speedruns and 'cheating' and what not. That wasn't what
: spurred me into chiming in.

I can see the lack of appeal of such a video. Finishing a level that quickly clearly is going to be less entertaining than a longer run, even if it is supposed to be a speedrun.

On the other hand, a 10 second video is quick to download and watch. I'd download it just to see how it was achieved and try and duplicate it-- just like when I tried to get that shield on Keyes to pop me up through the ceiling. Never managed that one.

At the end of the day, though, it's the developer's responsibility to eliminate exploits that would lead to uninteresting ways of playing a game, since that's exactly what this is. And as a subgenre of gameplay videos, the point of speedruns is speed; interesting gameplay is just a happy side effect.

I see what you're saying about "different flavors" but to my way of understanding it, any speedrun that isn't the fastest possible (at the time it was made) is just a gameplay vid. That doesn't make it a bad vid, but if the maker intentionally avoids a method that could be used to decrease the time required because it's not interesting enough, then the primary intent of making the vid is no longer a speedrun; it's just a gameplay vid.

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