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Re: I'm old school.
Posted By: Miguel Chavez	Date: 8/8/06 3:47 p.m.
In Response To: Re: I'm old school. (Cody Miller) : I hope you didn't forget that to be a real vidmaster, you need to be able to : climb 2 WU with your assault rifle. Grenade jumping means shortcuts. : I'm pretty sure several of the vidmaster films are "speedruns", in : that they don't kill everything and skip sections of the level, such as : "Ten thousand slimy things", "Aye Mak Sicur" and : "Eat the path". : Granted, I was not a fan of many vidmaster films. Not because they were : unimpressive, but that with fists only it was not entertaining to watch. : It simply took too long. Speed is usually entertaining. To me watching : somebody fall down the shaft of Silent Cartographer, and fight back up, in : under 4 minutes, is more impressive than killing every enemy. However you : inevitably reach a threshold where further speedups sacrafice : entertainment value. It's not just limited to Halo. : Speedruns for games like Sonic and Megaman have gone from skillful : runthroughs, to glitchfests and pure mayhem. One of my favorite speedruns, : for Half Life 2 in 2:14:58, was a great mix of action and tricks. A lot of : areas were skipped, but they were done in such a way that was logical and : amazing, and I appreciated the creativity involved. The areas that were : not skipped, were all completed with amazing skill. It was the perfect : balance of exploits and skill. : The run has since been brought down to 1:36:50. This version takes the : glitches to the extreme with some bizarre bugs being exploited, and at : times I was not sure what was going on. Was it faster? Yes. Was it more : entertaining? Not at all. : Would a run of Marathon that skipped almost all of Cold Fusion by grenade : jumping in the beginning instead or raising the platform be unimpressive? : I've done it, and having to jump off of 2 walls to get up there, it isn't : easy. Is it more impressive than playing the level through? I think it : might be. : In the end, we are HIGH SPEED Halo, and will continue to go for speed in any : way possible short of outright cheating. I've always wanted to keep old : videos for download, because there's a lot of really good runs that have : since been obsoleted by less entertaining versions. However, the bandwidth : is not mine, and it's not infinate. You did a great job of getting across one of the points in my post... there's a threshold between entertaining and getting the objective done. Just because you haven't modded the xbox doesn't mean every speedrun is worth a box of popcorn - you said so yourself. Like I said, congrats to whoever can get a run lower and lower, honestly, but it's not going to be my style of vid. I've never claimed that an all-fists run through of any level in Mara1/2/3 is going to be super-entertaining to sit through, but for me, it'd be more entertaining than superfast runs. But please understand, I only brought up the vidmaster's oath because it was handy - it demonstrated a determination that was not centered around time, but other factors. And let's not ignore Bungie's Myth: doing a full run/no deaths through Myth's "5 Champions" is superb when execution is just right. What makes it *really* hardcore is you can tell the film is a netfilm, and the players list shows just one name... so there's no denying that one person started playing on legendary and knocked that ball out of the park. And to counter your example, I'd love to fall down the shaft of SilCart and obliterate every enemy in my path on my way back up. Fuck the covenant and their sentries, you're all tasting my AR, you bunch of alien pansies. And really, who was knocking anything about the website/community HIGH SPEED HALO? I wasn't replying to your original post. I was only chiming in when someone mentioned how he doesn't find those runs 'authentic' (he of course chose to use cheating, but I never grabbed unto that) which kind of resonated with me, so I brought up my thoughts on the matter. Different strokes for different folks, er, folks... that's all.

Message Index

Halo 2 is under 2 Hours	Cody Miller	8/3/06 10:58 a.m.
Re: Halo 2 is under 2 Hours	Ducain	8/3/06 11:12 a.m.
Damn!* *NM*	I. Zombie	8/3/06 2:22 p.m.
Re: Halo 2 is under 2 Hours	awerhse	8/5/06 10:28 p.m.
Hey, What about mine?	c0ld vengeance	8/3/06 11:13 a.m.
Re: Hey, What about mine?	Cody Miller	8/3/06 1:56 p.m.
Re: Hey, What about mine?	BOLL	8/3/06 3:23 p.m.
Unreal... Keep it up :) *NM*	Finn	8/3/06 12:10 p.m.
1:17	Max Power (aka- dewbe)	8/3/06 12:16 p.m.
Re: 1:17	Demonic	8/3/06 1:15 p.m.
Re: 1:17	Hawaiian Pig	8/3/06 3:42 p.m.
Re: 1:17	Ultimafire	8/3/06 7:13 p.m.
OMG LIEK *NM*	Mintz	8/3/06 7:14 p.m.
Cheats	Rev	8/3/06 10:51 p.m.
There are no cheats in Halo. Only bugs. *NM*	Cullen	8/3/06 10:59 p.m.
Re: There are no cheats in Halo. Only bugs.	Rev	8/3/06 11:02 p.m.
Re: There are no cheats in Halo. Only bugs.	gijake	8/3/06 11:13 p.m.
Re: There are no cheats in Halo. Only bugs.	Peptuck	8/3/06 11:26 p.m.
Re: There are no cheats in Halo. Only bugs.	Dark One	8/5/06 11:08 p.m.
Re: There are no cheats in Halo. Only bugs.	Bry	8/5/06 11:26 p.m.
Re: There are no cheats in Halo. Only bugs.	Dark One	8/5/06 11:46 p.m.
Re: There are no cheats in Halo. Only bugs.	Gordon Freeman	8/5/06 11:59 p.m.
Re: There are no cheats in Halo. Only bugs.	scarab	8/6/06 3:56 a.m.
Re: Cheats	Peptuck	8/3/06 11:22 p.m.
Re: Cheats	NOKYARD	8/6/06 6:49 a.m.
Re: Cheats	Kiloh Ekim	8/6/06 5:54 p.m.
Re: Cheats	Raigns	8/4/06 1:15 a.m.
I'm old school.	Miguel Chavez	8/4/06 4:00 a.m.
Re: I'm old school.	Ducain	8/4/06 11:25 a.m.
You're just old.	Narcogen	8/5/06 11:35 a.m.
Re: You're just old.	Miguel Chavez	8/8/06 3:23 p.m.
Re: You're just old.	Narcogen	8/8/06 11:21 p.m.
Re: I'm old school.	Miguel Chavez	8/8/06 3:03 p.m.
Re: I'm old school.	Ducain	8/12/06 9:03 p.m.
Re: I'm old school....heh...	vshields ash	8/9/06 6:24 a.m.
Re: I'm old school.	Cody Miller	8/4/06 12:07 p.m.
HL2 vid?	hminn	8/4/06 11:07 p.m.
Re: I'm old school.	Miguel Chavez	8/8/06 3:47 p.m.
Re: I'm old school.	NOKYARD	8/10/06 10:13 p.m.
Re: I'm old school.	Quantum	8/4/06 12:29 p.m.
Wow. Talk about heavy hitters.	yakaman	8/7/06 1:31 p.m.
Re: Wow. Talk about heavy hitters.	NOKYARD	8/7/06 2:48 p.m.
Re: Halo 2 is under 2 Hours	pyrrhus	8/4/06 2:27 p.m.
Re: Halo 2 is under 2 Hours	pyrrhus	8/4/06 2:29 p.m.
Re: Halo 2 is under 2 Hours	awerhse	8/5/06 10:28 p.m.
Re: Halo 2 is under 2 Hours	Raigns	8/6/06 2:06 a.m.
Re: Halo 2 is under 2 Hours	JR	8/12/06 9:54 a.m.