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Re: You're just old.
Posted By: Miguel ChavezDate: 8/8/06 3:23 p.m.

In Response To: You're just old. (Narcogen)

: I agree. The vidmaster's challenge and speedrunning are not the same thing at
: all.

: If you guys think exploiting some of Halo's glitches is somehow
: "unfair" in the aim of speedrunning, download the old Quake Done
: Quick and watch it.

: There are some levels that are finished in under five seconds, without
: fighting anything, by doing grenade/rocket jumps directly from where the
: level starts to where the level ends.

: Whether stylish or not, or designer-intended or not, the ONLY point of
: speedrunning is speed. As long as the game itself isn't being modified, it
: seems to me it's fair game.

: To go into the grey area about what techniques are "fair" or not
: seems beyond the point. In fact, if you did that, you'd never really be
: able to get two people to agree on whether you've got the
: "fastest" run or not.

: What would be legit, and who would decide? Banshee-jacking, is that legit?
: Where, and which ones? Superjumping, is that legit?

: There's only one determinant of what is legitimate that can be enforced and
: agreed upon: the unmodified game engine. If there are glitches in there
: that make long levels potentially short (like AotCR) well... too bad.

I've already answered Ducain's post, but let me just say, and no offense really, but if someone were to submit a video of a 10 second run through T&R, or Cairo Station, I would never download the video. There's absolutely zero appeal to me of a vid like that. If that's an example of the holy nirvana of speedruns, then so be it. Maybe I'm speaking to the other folks out there, lurkers to this forum, that if you feel the same way about these kind of runs, you're not alone. It's not like there can't be room for various flavors of runs. Sorry that this topic got started as an attack on speedruns and 'cheating' and what not. That wasn't what spurred me into chiming in.

- M


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Halo 2 is under 2 HoursCody Miller 8/3/06 10:58 a.m.
     Re: Halo 2 is under 2 HoursDucain 8/3/06 11:12 a.m.
           Damn!* *NM*I. Zombie 8/3/06 2:22 p.m.
           Re: Halo 2 is under 2 Hoursawerhse 8/5/06 10:28 p.m.
     Hey, What about mine?c0ld vengeance 8/3/06 11:13 a.m.
           Re: Hey, What about mine?Cody Miller 8/3/06 1:56 p.m.
                 Re: Hey, What about mine?BOLL 8/3/06 3:23 p.m.
     Unreal... Keep it up :) *NM*Finn 8/3/06 12:10 p.m.
     1:17Max Power (aka- dewbe) 8/3/06 12:16 p.m.
           Re: 1:17Demonic 8/3/06 1:15 p.m.
           Re: 1:17Hawaiian Pig 8/3/06 3:42 p.m.
                 Re: 1:17Ultimafire 8/3/06 7:13 p.m.
                 OMG LIEK *NM*Mintz 8/3/06 7:14 p.m.
           CheatsRev 8/3/06 10:51 p.m.
                 There are no cheats in Halo. Only bugs. *NM*Cullen 8/3/06 10:59 p.m.
                       Re: There are no cheats in Halo. Only bugs.Rev 8/3/06 11:02 p.m.
                             Re: There are no cheats in Halo. Only bugs.gijake 8/3/06 11:13 p.m.
                             Re: There are no cheats in Halo. Only bugs.Peptuck 8/3/06 11:26 p.m.
                                   Re: There are no cheats in Halo. Only bugs.Dark One 8/5/06 11:08 p.m.
                                         Re: There are no cheats in Halo. Only bugs.Bry 8/5/06 11:26 p.m.
                                               Re: There are no cheats in Halo. Only bugs.Dark One 8/5/06 11:46 p.m.
                                         Re: There are no cheats in Halo. Only bugs.Gordon Freeman 8/5/06 11:59 p.m.
                                         Re: There are no cheats in Halo. Only bugs.scarab 8/6/06 3:56 a.m.
                 Re: CheatsPeptuck 8/3/06 11:22 p.m.
                       Re: CheatsNOKYARD 8/6/06 6:49 a.m.
                             Re: CheatsKiloh Ekim 8/6/06 5:54 p.m.
                 Re: CheatsRaigns 8/4/06 1:15 a.m.
                       I'm old school.Miguel Chavez 8/4/06 4:00 a.m.
                             Re: I'm old school.Ducain 8/4/06 11:25 a.m.
                                   You're just old.Narcogen 8/5/06 11:35 a.m.
                                         Re: You're just old.Miguel Chavez 8/8/06 3:23 p.m.
                                               Re: You're just old.Narcogen 8/8/06 11:21 p.m.
                                   Re: I'm old school.Miguel Chavez 8/8/06 3:03 p.m.
                                         Re: I'm old school.Ducain 8/12/06 9:03 p.m.
                                   Re: I'm old school....heh...vshields ash 8/9/06 6:24 a.m.
                             Re: I'm old school.Cody Miller 8/4/06 12:07 p.m.
                                   HL2 vid?hminn 8/4/06 11:07 p.m.
                                   Re: I'm old school.Miguel Chavez 8/8/06 3:47 p.m.
                                         Re: I'm old school.NOKYARD 8/10/06 10:13 p.m.
                             Re: I'm old school.Quantum 8/4/06 12:29 p.m.
                             Wow. Talk about heavy hitters.yakaman 8/7/06 1:31 p.m.
                                   Re: Wow. Talk about heavy hitters.NOKYARD 8/7/06 2:48 p.m.
     Re: Halo 2 is under 2 Hourspyrrhus 8/4/06 2:27 p.m.
           Re: Halo 2 is under 2 Hourspyrrhus 8/4/06 2:29 p.m.
     Re: Halo 2 is under 2 Hoursawerhse 8/5/06 10:28 p.m.
           Re: Halo 2 is under 2 HoursRaigns 8/6/06 2:06 a.m.
     Re: Halo 2 is under 2 HoursJR 8/12/06 9:54 a.m.



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