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War, Religion, & Politics are not allowed here...
Posted By: Kyrceck <Kyrceck@direcway.com>	Date: 3/30/04 7:06 p.m.
In Response To: War, Religion, & Politics (axman) : i've been waiting for someone to connect the Covenant with Islam... I'm not : sure it's really applicable to it directly. but the idea does fit well : with the Arab-Muslim governments that point at the US as the "Great : Satan" to deflect the frustration and hatred of their citizens away : from themselves so that they can stay in power. The caste system does seem : a bit more like Hinduism : does "patriotism / nationalism" require the attacking of other : nations just because they're another nation? it doesn't just depend on who : grabs the "moral high ground" for the comparison. look at japan : in the 1930s- its actions were not just patriotic- they were racist & : imperialistic as well. Could they say *truthfully*, "oh, we were just : being patriotic" in the way someone that puts "proud to be an : American" on his car bumper can? i doubt it. : back to halo... : If ONI or human pirates really did start the war, then the Covenant response : could be characterized as "patriotic". The characterization of : humanity as lower lifeforms would then be understandable- get the soldiers : in the trenches to fight by de-humanizing (de-intelligencizing?) the : enemy. it's been done by probably every gov at war (how to motivate the : soldiers to fight the enemy if they think the other guy ain't so bad?) : however... i'm not so sure about this. : i don't remember any evidence in any of the books that indicates that there : was any other reason for the war from the Covenant's point of view than : religious fanaticism. [*if i remember correctly*] i think it has been : noted that the covenant didn't fire on the humans originally until they : tried to identify themselves. also, somewhere it says something along the : lines of, [again, if i remember correctly], that "a name implies : legitimacy, and the humans were not legitimate. so they must be : exterminated". Giving a name to something is a way to show dominion : over it. By naming ourselves before the Covenant could do so (or rejecting : their name for us) is to rebel against their dominion and set ourselves up : as our own masters. The Covenant's subsequent response ["your : destruction is the will of the gods"] does seem rather reminiscent of : historical Islam (which spread by the sword). and the way the lower : "castes" are kept in line by those higher (elites reassigning : grunts around at will, prophets beheading elites who don't perform) along : with the goal of the complete destruction of the enemy (no negotiating) : reminds me of modern wahhabic* Islam. : .02 : ~ax : *think bin Laden. he doesn't want to "change" the US, he wants to : destroy it and return Islamic culture to its "glory days" of : ~1450-1800AD when it was more advanced than the "Christian : West". [or Hamas that wants to end Israel's existence] Not that I dont agree with you... :) -KYR

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Theory on the origins of the war	Ain Soph Aur	3/23/04 1:46 a.m.
Re: Theory on the origins of the war	NickLee808	3/23/04 2:39 a.m.
Re: Theory on the origins of the war	Shishka	3/23/04 3:27 a.m.
Re: Theory on the origins of the war	Wintermute @ work	3/23/04 7:04 a.m.
Workin on the brain	matt41000	3/31/04 12:22 a.m.
Re: Theory on the origins of the war	Ain Soph Aur	3/23/04 3:49 a.m.
i think halo 2 will answer this *NM*	fludblud	3/23/04 5:28 a.m.
Babylon 5: Earth - Minbari War Anyone?	Steve Ollett	3/23/04 7:29 a.m.
Re: Babylon 5: Earth - Minbari War Anyone?	Ain Soph Aur	3/23/04 2:38 p.m.
Re: meta response to - Theory on the origins	Sep7imus [subnova]	3/23/04 7:59 a.m.
Re: Theory on the origins of the war	thunderhawk555	3/23/04 9:21 a.m.
Re: Theory on the origins of the war	Steve Ollett	3/23/04 9:36 a.m.
War, Religion, & Politics	axman	3/30/04 6:21 p.m.
War, Religion, & Politics are not allowed here...	Kyrceck	3/30/04 7:06 p.m.
Re: War, Religion, & Politics are not allowed here	meleeman	3/30/04 7:12 p.m.
Stoppitt	Jillybean	3/31/04 4:42 a.m.
Re: Patriotism *RANT*	Steve Ollett	3/31/04 1:56 a.m.
::sigh::	Louis Wu	3/31/04 7:33 a.m.
Re: Theory on the origins of the war	grimman	3/23/04 9:56 a.m.
Re: Theory on the origins of the war	Steve Ollett	3/23/04 10:25 a.m.
Re: Theory on the origins of the war	thunderhawk555	3/23/04 11:21 a.m.
Re: Theory on the origins of the war *FS Spoilers*	why isnt my hitman47 name working????	3/23/04 3:40 p.m.
Re: Theory on the origins of the war	Gallagher	3/23/04 4:03 p.m.