Here's the deal on validity





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Here's the deal on validity

Posted By: Louis Wu <halo@bungie.org> Date: 9/13/03 7:16 a.m.
In Response To: 2 New Eggs (c0ld vengeance)

Okay, to start with, for all the people mad at c0ld for hacking Halo and then posting the results: he started by mailing these privately to me. I ran them by SketchFactor, who ran them by the Halo team... who said go for it.
So c0ld is covered by a blessing from on high.
More relevant, though, is the ethical issue: is it okay to show eggs that were found by cheating?
For the most part, no. Up to now, we haven't accepted any submissions for material that was obtained via hacking - because it's pretty unsporting. In this particular case, though...
Let's look, for example, at the Engine Temp Critical graphic.
c0ld extracted the actual graphic - which is never seen, in that form, in the game. (It's displayed, covered by a reflecting grid surface, inside the final longsword.) The picture below is extracted from a DVD version of the final cutscene; this is better quality than you'll get in-game (except for the compression artifacts I introduced by converting it to a jpeg):

Now, Frogblast has shown that you can get inside the Longsword... but you can't do it with a sniper rifle, because there aren't any on that level. So the best zoom you're gonna get is 2x. And the egg portion of that graphic is simply too obscured by the overlayed image to actually READ at that resolution.
So there is simply NO WAY to see that egg ingame. Period.
Likewise, the helmet chip is never visible ingame; it's ONLY in the cutscene, and then not at any resolution you can extract words from. The ONLY way to read the chip is via c0ld's method.
So: we'll accept eggs discovered via this method - with the stipulation that they MUST BE UNVIEWABLE IN-GAME. c0ld's three finds meet that requirement.
I hope this clarifies HBO's position on this - and reassures people that eggs that are findable will only be included in our Eggs database WHEN THEY ARE FOUND IN-GAME.

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2 New Eggs c0ld vengeance 9/12/03 10:23 p.m.

Awesome :D *NM* goatrope 9/12/03 10:24 p.m.

:( *NM* AJ Mendoza 9/13/03 1:21 a.m.

Re: :( goatrope 9/13/03 3:15 a.m.

Re: :( dogchow33 9/13/03 4:13 p.m.

Re: 2 New Eggs Some Random Guy 9/12/03 10:27 p.m.

Is this going...to far? Simpsons Rule 9/12/03 10:32 p.m.

Re: Is this going...to far? an anonymous person 9/12/03 10:37 p.m.

Re: Is this going...to far? Konrad9 9/12/03 11:15 p.m.

Re: Is this going...to far? Captain Spark 9/12/03 11:09 p.m.

Re: Is this going...to far? Nick 9/13/03 12:50 a.m.

Wow Jamirus99 9/12/03 10:45 p.m.

Re: 2 New Eggs Nick 9/12/03 10:50 p.m.

Where does it say on the second pic? *NM* BLown-Upp 9/12/03 11:09 p.m.

Re: Where does it say on the second pic? dogchow33 9/12/03 11:12 p.m.

Re: 2 New Eggs Neo Alucard X 9/12/03 11:12 p.m.

Re: 2 New Eggs Spenser 9/12/03 11:43 p.m.

Great Job cOld! Kyrceck 9/13/03 12:12 a.m.

Re: Great Job cOld! Michael M. 9/13/03 1:04 a.m.

Eggs vshields ash 9/13/03 2:30 a.m.

Re: Eggs Shishka 9/13/03 3:04 a.m.

Here's the deal on validity Louis Wu 9/13/03 7:16 a.m.

Add that to the Egg Faq? Toby Dillman 9/13/03 11:35 a.m.

Re: Here's the deal :Me Happy :) nm vshields ash 9/13/03 12:18 p.m.

Re: Here's the deal on validity Michael M. 9/13/03 4:53 p.m.

Re: Here's the deal on validity Louis Wu 9/13/03 6:19 p.m.

Re: Here's the deal on validity Simpsons Rule 9/13/03 7:32 p.m.

Re: Here's the deal on validity BOLL 9/14/03 7:54 p.m.

Re: Here's the deal on validity Louis Wu 9/14/03 9:39 p.m.

OMFG!!!! HBO EGGZOR!!!! BOLL 9/15/03 4:37 p.m.

I want! *NM* Ross Mills 9/15/03 6:25 p.m.

I love the rims *NM* The MorningStar 9/16/03 1:10 a.m.

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2 New Eggs	c0ld vengeance	9/12/03 10:23 p.m.
Awesome :D NM	goatrope	9/12/03 10:24 p.m.
:( NM	AJ Mendoza	9/13/03 1:21 a.m.
Re: :(	goatrope	9/13/03 3:15 a.m.
Re: :(	dogchow33	9/13/03 4:13 p.m.
Re: 2 New Eggs	Some Random Guy	9/12/03 10:27 p.m.
Is this going...to far?	Simpsons Rule	9/12/03 10:32 p.m.
Re: Is this going...to far?	an anonymous person	9/12/03 10:37 p.m.
Re: Is this going...to far?	Konrad9	9/12/03 11:15 p.m.
Re: Is this going...to far?	Captain Spark	9/12/03 11:09 p.m.
Re: Is this going...to far?	Nick	9/13/03 12:50 a.m.
Wow	Jamirus99	9/12/03 10:45 p.m.
Re: 2 New Eggs	Nick	9/12/03 10:50 p.m.
Where does it say on the second pic? NM	BLown-Upp	9/12/03 11:09 p.m.
Re: Where does it say on the second pic?	dogchow33	9/12/03 11:12 p.m.
Re: 2 New Eggs	Neo Alucard X	9/12/03 11:12 p.m.
Re: 2 New Eggs	Spenser	9/12/03 11:43 p.m.
Great Job cOld!	Kyrceck	9/13/03 12:12 a.m.
Re: Great Job cOld!	Michael M.	9/13/03 1:04 a.m.
Eggs	vshields ash	9/13/03 2:30 a.m.
Re: Eggs	Shishka	9/13/03 3:04 a.m.
Here's the deal on validity	Louis Wu	9/13/03 7:16 a.m.
Add that to the Egg Faq?	Toby Dillman	9/13/03 11:35 a.m.
Re: Here's the deal :Me Happy :) nm	vshields ash	9/13/03 12:18 p.m.
Re: Here's the deal on validity	Michael M.	9/13/03 4:53 p.m.
Re: Here's the deal on validity	Louis Wu	9/13/03 6:19 p.m.
Re: Here's the deal on validity	Simpsons Rule	9/13/03 7:32 p.m.
Re: Here's the deal on validity	BOLL	9/14/03 7:54 p.m.
Re: Here's the deal on validity	Louis Wu	9/14/03 9:39 p.m.
OMFG!!!! HBO EGGZOR!!!!	BOLL	9/15/03 4:37 p.m.
I want! NM	Ross Mills	9/15/03 6:25 p.m.
I love the rims NM	The MorningStar	9/16/03 1:10 a.m.