Re: Missing weapons on Neither High Nor Low?


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Re: Missing weapons on Neither High Nor Low?

Posted By: Hopper Date: 7/14/13 3:40 p.m.
In Response To: Re: Missing weapons on Neither High Nor Low? (Narcogen)

: It seems to me that a film must actually contain much more game state information than a save file
If you look at the file size, you'll see that films are generally smaller than save files. Films save key strokes and not much else, while save files store the current level and not much else.
Save files contain a dump of the level you're on -- which includes all geometry, monsters, objects, etc. -- along with some basic information about which map file to use when you teleport off. (Until you leave the level where you saved, Aleph One uses level data out of the save file instead of the map file: the save is self-contained rather than a patch of what's changed.) So the save file does contain all the state you need to resume play, without any history.
Films also contain information to find the map file, and which level to start on, but they have no level data at all embedded in them. They rely on starting from the default level state stored in the map, and just contain the starting random seed and player actions (the processed form of keystrokes and mouse movements).
Theoretically, a film format could be devised that embeds a save file and starts from there, instead of starting from a virgin map level. The current film format doesn't support anything like that.

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: : It seems to me that a film must actually contain much more game state : information than a save file : If you look at the file size, you'll see that films are generally smaller : than save files. Films save key strokes and not much else, while save : files store the current level and not much else. : Save files contain a dump of the level you're on -- which includes all : geometry, monsters, objects, etc. -- along with some basic information : about which map file to use when you teleport off. (Until you leave the : level where you saved, Aleph One uses level data out of the save file : instead of the map file: the save is self-contained rather than a patch of : what's changed.) So the save file does contain all the state you need to : resume play, without any history. : Films also contain information to find the map file, and which level to start : on, but they have no level data at all embedded in them. They rely on : starting from the default level state stored in the map, and just contain : the starting random seed and player actions (the processed form of : keystrokes and mouse movements). : Theoretically, a film format could be devised that embeds a save file and : starts from there, instead of starting from a virgin map level. The : current film format doesn't support anything like that.

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Missing weapons on Neither High Nor Low?	Narcogen	7/12/13 9:22 p.m.
Re: Missing weapons on Neither High Nor Low?	Godot	7/12/13 10:31 p.m.
Re: Missing weapons on Neither High Nor Low?	Narcogen	7/13/13 3:11 a.m.
Re: Missing weapons on Neither High Nor Low?	PerseusSpartacus	7/13/13 1:41 p.m.
Re: Missing weapons on Neither High Nor Low?	treellama	7/13/13 2:26 a.m.
Re: Missing weapons on Neither High Nor Low?	Narcogen	7/13/13 3:10 a.m.
Re: Missing weapons on Neither High Nor Low?	Narcogen	7/13/13 3:14 a.m.
Re: Missing weapons on Neither High Nor Low?	treellama	7/13/13 3:22 a.m.
Re: Missing weapons on Neither High Nor Low?	Narcogen	7/13/13 3:24 a.m.
Re: Missing weapons on Neither High Nor Low?	Narcogen	7/13/13 4:24 a.m.
Re: Missing weapons on Neither High Nor Low?	treellama	7/13/13 4:31 a.m.
Re: Missing weapons on Neither High Nor Low?	Narcogen	7/13/13 5:08 a.m.
Re: Missing weapons on Neither High Nor Low?	Hopper	7/14/13 3:40 p.m.



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	Message: : : It seems to me that a film must actually contain much more game state : information than a save file : If you look at the file size, you'll see that films are generally smaller : than save files. Films save key strokes and not much else, while save : files store the current level and not much else. : Save files contain a dump of the level you're on -- which includes all : geometry, monsters, objects, etc. -- along with some basic information : about which map file to use when you teleport off. (Until you leave the : level where you saved, Aleph One uses level data out of the save file : instead of the map file: the save is self-contained rather than a patch of : what's changed.) So the save file does contain all the state you need to : resume play, without any history. : Films also contain information to find the map file, and which level to start : on, but they have no level data at all embedded in them. They rely on : starting from the default level state stored in the map, and just contain : the starting random seed and player actions (the processed form of : keystrokes and mouse movements). : Theoretically, a film format could be devised that embeds a save file and : starts from there, instead of starting from a virgin map level. The : current film format doesn't support anything like that.
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