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| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | |
| Posted By: Cody Miller | Date: 4/12/12 3:23 p.m. |
In Response To: Present thoughts about the future *long* (Hedgemony) Once upon a time all my gaming was social. I never played video games alone. Always a friend was over playing with me, or I was over playing with a friend. To me, there are two really amazing parts to video games: the challenge, and the social. These are often linked. I think I've recounted my Zelda story here, and although it is a single player game, me, my friends, and a few strangers all pooled resources to beat it. You'd share something you discovered or listen to someone else on the playground. You were part of a larger social group whose goal was to conquer the game. Arcades still exhibit that mentality, in that I can go to Japan town and learn from the better players, or teach the players who aren't as good. It's just amazing to share a game with someone else in the hopes of overcoming the challenge. This is why speedrunning has always appealed to me. If you think that all the speedruns I've done have been in isolation, you'd be wrong. Again, there is a community and group of people who get together to conquer these games. I can learn from others, teach others, or compete with others. And so this is why I've always enjoyed Bungie games. I can't be at the Arcade all the time, so when I'm not the next best thing is the community that Bungie games seem to foster. Marathon had the vidmasters, the map makers, Hamish, and the LAN parties. I never felt alone playing the game. Halo was even less lonely! The sheer diversity of the Halo community was astounding. It was satisfying. The gaming industry though, much like our culture, is becoming more and more secluded and selfish. Games are being designed so that even the worst of players can finish them alone with no help. Play against other people is facilitated online virtually, not through in person LAN. Players are enticed by grinding for vanity rewards. The games themselves allow less freedom to the player, for fear they will go somewhere they shouldn't or frustrate themselves. When I look at 343 evening the gap between player skills, I see them robbing players of the chance or need to socialize with other players to learn and improve. When I see Spartan points, I see players grinding for status rather than getting it through their social contributions to the community. This is not unique to 343 - I see this in a great many games. The social aspect of games cannot be cultivated for profit by the developer. Any attempt to do so will ultimately fall flat and be counter productive. It has to come from the player's desire to overcome or explore the game. It cannot be fostered with waypoint. It cannot be manipulated by community managers. It's got to come from passionate people playing games made by passionate people. This is what the future for 343 and for video games in general lies. If it's not pretentious developers making 'art' games to stroke their egos, it's big business putting out a game just to make a buck. Modern video games are not about the social anymore. They are about solitary, feel good experiences. To me, that is exceptionally boring. The developer does deserve a little loyalty given that their work is what sparks this from the beginning, but given that the community is largely self generated, the importance of the developer is not as pronounced as people think. This is why I feel no loyalty to 343, or even Bungie should their games become bad. Just because some Bungie folk are working on Halo 4, and it's Halo, doesn't mean it should get my admiration, respect, or cash. Heg, you seem to be carrying your respect over from Bungie. Every new game is a fresh start in my mind. The backlash you see is precisely because the changes 343 is proposing are not going to be beneficial in creating a dedicated community. I might have recounted this story as well, but for a documentary I was shooting an interview with a man in prison for beating his wife. The producer asked how he could do such a horrible thing to a person he loved, and he said "Only the things you truly love can make you angry". It's true. We would not waste our breath with this if we didn't care. We are not being negative just for the hell of it. I don't go on the forums for every bad game I've ever played and complain. Because Halo has fostered a wonderful community, we would absolutely love for future games to as well. The future doesn't look that bright however. I think KP is right. It will die down when the game drops. But that will only be because those who cared will care no longer.
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| Present thoughts about the future *long* | Hedgemony | 4/11/12 9:44 p.m. |
| I'm Grim, & this is my favorite post on the forum *NM* | GrimBrother One | 4/11/12 9:50 p.m. |
| Hear hear! *NM* | Das Kalk | 4/11/12 9:53 p.m. |
| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 4/11/12 10:16 p.m. |
| Brilliantly well put, mirrors my own thoughts. *NM* | Tiny | 4/11/12 10:19 p.m. |
| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | stabbim | 4/11/12 10:23 p.m. |
| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | bluerunner | 4/11/12 10:26 p.m. |
| well put *NM* | kidtsunami | 4/11/12 10:29 p.m. |
| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | KP | 4/11/12 10:31 p.m. |
| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | tucsonbatman | 4/11/12 10:57 p.m. |
| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | DEEP NNN | 4/12/12 6:37 a.m. |
| Just you wait. You're next! :p *NM* | rhubarb | 4/12/12 10:57 a.m. |
| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | breitzen | 4/11/12 10:41 p.m. |
| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | Frankie | 4/12/12 12:21 a.m. |
| Frankie's mental image of HBO until release | The Lionheart | 4/12/12 12:36 a.m. |
| You dun good kid, great post. *NM* | Pebbles | 4/12/12 12:55 a.m. |
| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | Frankie | 4/12/12 12:26 a.m. |
| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | Quirel | 4/12/12 12:46 a.m. |
| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | Das Kalk | 4/12/12 10:52 a.m. |
| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | Metalingus627 | 4/12/12 5:00 p.m. |
| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | kanbo | 4/11/12 10:52 p.m. |
| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | Vic DeLeon | 4/11/12 10:56 p.m. |
| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | Der Flatulator | 4/16/12 9:44 a.m. |
| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | Der Flatulator | 4/16/12 9:49 a.m. |
| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | RC Master | 4/16/12 10:58 a.m. |
| We have seen the angst before. | Captain Spark | 4/11/12 11:00 p.m. |
| Agreed | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 4/11/12 11:04 p.m. |
| Sing it! Truth. *NM* | yakaman | 4/11/12 11:11 p.m. |
| Well put, indeed. *NM* | Leviathan | 4/11/12 11:22 p.m. |
| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | uberfoop | 4/11/12 11:35 p.m. |
| Re: Change is gouda. *NM* | Hedgemony | 4/11/12 11:37 p.m. |
| Halo 4 LE = Wheel of smoked gouda? *NM* | uberfoop | 4/12/12 12:09 a.m. |
| Thank you again... | GrimBrother One | 4/11/12 11:49 p.m. |
| Re: Thank you again... | Tiny | 4/12/12 7:53 a.m. |
| Why Halo 4 will be a very bad game *Long, IMGs* | Schooly D | 4/12/12 12:07 a.m. |
| Exquisitely well put, Hedge. | The Lionheart | 4/12/12 12:23 a.m. |
| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | Morhek | 4/12/12 12:36 a.m. |
| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | stabbim | 4/12/12 12:48 a.m. |
| Can a hipster hate hating? Is that possible? *NM* | The Lionheart | 4/12/12 12:56 a.m. |
| I for one, can't wait for E3 | Pebbles | 4/12/12 1:01 a.m. |
| Love is the new hate. *NM* | Kalamari | 4/12/12 1:25 a.m. |
| Oh Yeah? | Bones | 4/12/12 1:21 a.m. |
| Hedgemony: Voice of Reason and Love *NM* | thebruce0 | 4/12/12 1:44 a.m. |
| I'm finding it harder to express my thoughts... | Phoenix_9286 | 4/12/12 2:16 a.m. |
| Re: I'm finding it harder to express my thoughts.. | NsU Soldier | 4/12/12 5:24 a.m. |
| Josh Holmes took notice of this on twitter. *NM* | Bryan Newman | 4/12/12 2:17 a.m. |
| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | BlueNinja | 4/12/12 5:36 a.m. |
| Of course you still have a place here. | The Lionheart | 4/12/12 11:45 a.m. |
| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | General Vagueness | 4/16/12 6:54 p.m. |
| I don't have favorites, but you're my favorite. *NM* | Louis Wu | 4/12/12 6:44 a.m. |
| Nicely put :) *NM* | Ciarán | 4/12/12 6:48 a.m. |
| Well said. *NM* | Beckx | 4/12/12 7:23 a.m. |
| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | DEEP NNN | 4/12/12 7:37 a.m. |
| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | SonofMacPhisto | 4/12/12 8:38 a.m. |
| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | CaneCutter | 4/12/12 8:06 a.m. |
| Completely Agree (Glad Someone Said It!) | ChrisTheeCrappy | 4/12/12 8:57 a.m. |
| Re: Completely Agree (Glad Someone Said It!) | JDQuackers | 4/12/12 12:18 p.m. |
| i agree | iForge | 4/12/12 10:37 a.m. |
| Finally! | Der Flatulator | 4/12/12 10:45 a.m. |
| Re: Finally! | Der Flatulator | 4/12/12 10:54 a.m. |
| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | Tawpgun | 4/12/12 10:58 a.m. |
| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | Postmortem | 4/12/12 10:58 a.m. |
| Hedge is a Hammer | Impervium | 4/12/12 11:08 a.m. |
| Well met, sir. | dogsounds | 4/12/12 12:08 p.m. |
| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | padraig08 | 4/12/12 12:10 p.m. |
| Best thing I've read on the net in a long while! | LostSpartan987 | 4/12/12 12:36 p.m. |
| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | Cody Miller | 4/12/12 3:23 p.m. |
| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | DEEP NNN | 4/12/12 4:03 p.m. |
| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | Hawaiian Pig | 4/12/12 11:30 p.m. |
| your thoughts on "social" | kidtsunami | 4/13/12 2:26 a.m. |
| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | MacGyver10 | 4/12/12 3:31 p.m. |
| You made my day, Hedge | CortanaVII | 4/12/12 4:36 p.m. |
| Amen. *NM* | Lawnmower172 | 4/12/12 5:16 p.m. |
| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | GreyThor | 4/12/12 8:51 p.m. |
| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | Quantum | 4/12/12 11:04 p.m. |
| My thoughts on this situation. | Gravemind | 4/13/12 6:31 p.m. |
| Re: My thoughts on this situation. | Gravemind | 4/13/12 6:39 p.m. |
| Re: My thoughts on this situation. | 343winks. | 4/14/12 12:19 p.m. |
| Like you've spoken for me. *Sorta Long* | DrDoctor | 4/13/12 11:29 p.m. |
| Change *slightly-long* | Der Flatulator | 4/14/12 8:50 a.m. |
| Re: Change *slightly-long* | DEEP NNN | 4/14/12 9:03 a.m. |
| It isn't all good. | rhubarb | 4/14/12 10:40 a.m. |
| Re: It isn't all good. | serpx | 4/14/12 2:45 p.m. |
| Re: It isn't all good. | rhubarb | 4/14/12 3:29 p.m. |
| Change for change's sake. | Gravemind | 4/14/12 7:11 p.m. |
| Re: Change for change's sake. | Harmanimus | 4/14/12 7:59 p.m. |
| Re: Change for change's sake. | Gravemind | 4/14/12 8:32 p.m. |
| Re: Change for change's sake. | Cody Miller | 4/14/12 10:07 p.m. |
| Re: Change for change's sake. | Leviathan | 4/14/12 10:52 p.m. |
| Re: Change for change's sake. | Cody Miller | 4/15/12 12:20 a.m. |
| Re: Change for change's sake. | SonofMacPhisto | 4/15/12 9:04 a.m. |
| Re: Change for change's sake. | Leviathan | 4/15/12 1:36 p.m. |
| Re: Change for change's sake. | Cody Miller | 4/15/12 2:18 p.m. |
| Re: Change for change's sake. | Hawaiian Pig | 4/15/12 2:29 p.m. |
| Re: Change for change's sake. | Leviathan | 4/15/12 2:33 p.m. |
| To HP and Levi | rhubarb | 4/15/12 3:01 p.m. |
| Not at all | Leviathan | 4/15/12 3:15 p.m. |
| Re: Not at all | rhubarb | 4/15/12 3:27 p.m. |
| Re: Not at all | Leviathan | 4/15/12 3:47 p.m. |
| Warning: Unintended rant | Metalingus627 | 4/15/12 5:13 p.m. |
| Alienation is unavoidable | rhubarb | 4/15/12 5:31 p.m. |
| Re: Alienation is unavoidable | Metalingus627 | 4/15/12 5:47 p.m. |
| Because A sucks and B is an egg, obviously. | rhubarb | 4/15/12 6:31 p.m. |
| Re: Because A sucks and B is an egg, obviously. | Metalingus627 | 4/15/12 7:04 p.m. |
| My point is... | rhubarb | 4/15/12 7:55 p.m. |
| Re: My point is... | DHalo | 4/15/12 8:24 p.m. |
| Re: My point is... | rhubarb | 4/15/12 8:45 p.m. |
| Re: My point is... | Cody Miller | 4/15/12 9:04 p.m. |
| Re: My point is... | DHalo | 4/15/12 9:55 p.m. |
| Re: My point is... | uberfoop | 4/15/12 10:11 p.m. |
| Re: My point is... | DHalo | 4/15/12 10:18 p.m. |
| Re: My point is... | uberfoop | 4/15/12 10:26 p.m. |
| Re: My point is... | DHalo | 4/15/12 11:01 p.m. |
| Re: My point is... | DEEP NNN | 4/16/12 6:46 a.m. |
| Re: My point is... | RC Master | 4/16/12 11:12 a.m. |
| Re: My point is... | DEEP NNN | 4/16/12 11:52 a.m. |
| Re: to add to this | Revenant1988 | 4/16/12 12:25 p.m. |
| PirateUnicorns.bungie.org | RC Master | 4/16/12 6:23 p.m. |
| Re: PirateUnicorns.bungie.org | Revenant1988 | 4/16/12 7:39 p.m. |
| Re: PirateUnicorns.bungie.org | thebruce0 | 4/17/12 11:18 a.m. |
| Re: PirateUnicorns.bungie.org | RC Master | 4/17/12 9:11 p.m. |
| Re: My point is... | RC Master | 4/16/12 6:09 p.m. |
| Re: My point is... | DEEP NNN | 4/16/12 7:21 p.m. |
| Re: My point is... | uberfoop | 4/16/12 7:54 p.m. |
| Re: My point is... | DEEP NNN | 4/16/12 8:01 p.m. |
| Re: My point is... | uberfoop | 4/16/12 8:06 p.m. |
| Re: My point is... | General Vagueness | 4/16/12 10:43 p.m. |
| Re: My point is... | DEEP NNN | 4/17/12 7:54 a.m. |
| Re: My point is... | General Vagueness | 4/17/12 10:51 a.m. |
| Re: My point is... | DEEP NNN | 4/17/12 11:02 a.m. |
| Re: My point is... | General Vagueness | 4/17/12 12:37 p.m. |
| Re: My point is... | DEEP NNN | 4/17/12 1:32 p.m. |
| Re: My point is... | RC Master | 4/17/12 8:33 p.m. |
| Re: My point is... | DEEP NNN | 4/17/12 10:43 p.m. |
| Re: My point is... | Metalingus627 | 4/16/12 2:52 p.m. |
| Re: My point is... | uberfoop | 4/16/12 3:08 p.m. |
| Re: My point is... | Metalingus627 | 4/16/12 10:18 p.m. |
| Re: My point is... | Gravemind | 4/16/12 3:17 p.m. |
| Re: My point is... | Quirel | 4/16/12 6:17 p.m. |
| Re: Change for change's sake. | SonGoharotto | 4/14/12 11:29 p.m. |
| Re: Change for change's sake. | Hawaiian Pig | 4/15/12 12:53 a.m. |
| I have my moments *NM* | SonGoharotto | 4/15/12 8:08 a.m. |
| Re: Change for change's sake. | 343winks. | 4/15/12 3:55 a.m. |
| Re: Change for change's sake. | RC Master | 4/15/12 10:32 a.m. |
| Re: Change for change's sake. | Hedgemony | 4/15/12 12:30 p.m. |
| Re: Change for change's sake. | 343winks. | 4/16/12 4:50 a.m. |
| Re: Change for change's sake. | 343winks. | 4/16/12 4:45 a.m. |
| I'm gonna rename you Chicken Little. | Louis Wu | 4/15/12 8:31 a.m. |
| Just playing Devil's advocate here... | SonGoharotto | 4/15/12 9:23 a.m. |
| Re: Just playing Devil's advocate here... | Louis Wu | 4/15/12 9:43 a.m. |
| Re: Just playing Devil's advocate here... | davidfuchs | 4/15/12 9:53 a.m. |
| Re: Just playing Devil's advocate here... | SonGoharotto | 4/15/12 11:30 a.m. |
| Re: Just playing Devil's advocate here... | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 4/15/12 12:13 p.m. |
| Re: Just playing Devil's advocate here... | General Vagueness | 4/16/12 7:05 p.m. |
| Re: I'm gonna rename you Chicken Little. | Gravemind | 4/15/12 12:38 p.m. |
| Re: I'm gonna rename you Chicken Little. | Louis Wu | 4/15/12 12:48 p.m. |
| Re: I'm gonna rename you Chicken Little. | Cody Miller | 4/15/12 1:04 p.m. |
| Re: I'm gonna rename you Chicken Little. | Leviathan | 4/15/12 1:47 p.m. |
| Re: I'm gonna rename you Chicken Little. | Cody Miller | 4/15/12 2:16 p.m. |
| Re: I'm gonna rename you Chicken Little. | Leviathan | 4/15/12 2:27 p.m. |
| Re: I'm gonna rename you Chicken Little. | Hawaiian Pig | 4/15/12 2:28 p.m. |
| Re: I'm gonna rename you Chicken Little. | Hawaiian Pig | 4/15/12 2:31 p.m. |
| Re: I'm gonna rename you Chicken Little. | Leviathan | 4/15/12 2:35 p.m. |
| Re: I'm gonna rename you Chicken Little. | Hawaiian Pig | 4/15/12 2:54 p.m. |
| To clarify | Leviathan | 4/15/12 3:01 p.m. |
| Re: To clarify | rhubarb | 4/15/12 3:07 p.m. |
| Re: To clarify | Schooly D | 4/15/12 3:40 p.m. |
| The question everyone is dancing around | rhubarb | 4/15/12 3:48 p.m. |
| This has nothing to do with CoD. | uberfoop | 4/15/12 4:41 p.m. |
| Re: This has nothing to do with CoD. | rhubarb | 4/15/12 5:07 p.m. |
| Re: This has nothing to do with CoD. | uberfoop | 4/15/12 5:47 p.m. |
| Re: This has nothing to do with CoD. | rhubarb | 4/15/12 6:04 p.m. |
| Re: The question everyone is dancing around | Cody Miller | 4/15/12 5:20 p.m. |
| Re: The question everyone is dancing around | rhubarb | 4/15/12 5:56 p.m. |
| Re: The question everyone is dancing around | Cody Miller | 4/15/12 6:13 p.m. |
| Re: To clarify | Leviathan | 4/15/12 4:01 p.m. |
| Re: To clarify | Cody Miller | 4/15/12 5:14 p.m. |
| Re: To clarify | Leviathan | 4/15/12 10:10 p.m. |
| Re: To clarify | Cody Miller | 4/15/12 11:15 p.m. |
| Re: To clarify | Leviathan | 4/15/12 11:49 p.m. |
| leviathan's opinion makes mine redundant *NM* | kidtsunami | 4/16/12 12:13 a.m. |
| Re: To clarify | Cody Miller | 4/16/12 12:39 a.m. |
| Re: To clarify | Leviathan | 4/16/12 2:08 a.m. |
| Re: To clarify | 343winks. | 4/16/12 6:04 a.m. |
| Re: To clarify | Louis Wu | 4/16/12 8:28 a.m. |
| Re: To clarify | Revenant1988 | 4/16/12 10:11 a.m. |
| ...........what is this | Hawaiian Pig | 4/16/12 12:33 p.m. |
| Re: ...........what is this | Louis Wu | 4/16/12 12:53 p.m. |
| Re: ...........what is this | Hawaiian Pig | 4/16/12 1:14 p.m. |
| Re: To clarify | Hawaiian Pig | 4/16/12 12:46 p.m. |
| Re: To clarify | Leviathan | 4/16/12 2:11 p.m. |
| Re: To clarify | Cody Miller | 4/16/12 2:13 p.m. |
| Re: To clarify | Leviathan | 4/16/12 2:30 p.m. |
| Re: To clarify | Cody Miller | 4/16/12 3:18 p.m. |
| Re: To clarify | Leviathan | 4/16/12 3:58 p.m. |
| This conversation has gone in an awkward direction | uberfoop | 4/16/12 4:11 p.m. |
| Re: This conversation has gone in an awkward direc | Leviathan | 4/16/12 4:32 p.m. |
| Re: This conversation has gone in an awkward direc | Miguel Chavez | 4/16/12 4:35 p.m. |
| Re: This conversation has gone in an awkward direc | Leviathan | 4/16/12 4:44 p.m. |
| Re: This conversation has gone in an awkward direc | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 4/16/12 9:58 p.m. |
| Re: This conversation has gone in an awkward direc | Hawaiian Pig | 4/16/12 5:36 p.m. |
| Re: This conversation has gone in an awkward direc | 343winks. | 4/17/12 5:58 a.m. |
| Re: This conversation has gone in an awkward direc | Leviathan | 4/17/12 2:02 p.m. |
| Re: This conversation has gone in an awkward direc | Beckx | 4/17/12 2:22 p.m. |
| Re: To clarify | Louis Wu | 4/16/12 3:00 p.m. |
| Re: To clarify | Miguel Chavez | 4/16/12 3:28 p.m. |
| Re: To clarify | 343winks. | 4/17/12 5:24 a.m. |
| Re: To clarify | Louis Wu | 4/17/12 7:07 a.m. |
| Re: To clarify | Cody Miller | 4/17/12 12:13 p.m. |
| Re: To clarify | General Vagueness | 4/17/12 12:50 p.m. |
| Re: To clarify | Hawaiian Pig | 4/17/12 10:59 p.m. |
| Re: To clarify | uberfoop | 4/18/12 12:08 a.m. |
| Re: To clarify | Miguel Chavez | 4/17/12 1:21 p.m. |
| GODWINNED *NM* | Cody Miller | 4/17/12 1:58 p.m. |
| Re: To clarify | Leviathan | 4/17/12 2:19 p.m. |
| Re: To clarify | Miguel Chavez | 4/17/12 3:51 p.m. |
| That's a lousy safe-word, Mig. *NM* | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 4/17/12 4:56 p.m. |
| Re: To clarify | Hawaiian Pig | 4/17/12 11:00 p.m. |
| Re: To clarify | General Vagueness | 4/17/12 10:45 a.m. |
| Re: I'm gonna rename you Chicken Little. | uberfoop | 4/15/12 4:52 p.m. |
| Change in Halo= Good | BWOLoneWolf | 4/16/12 7:17 a.m. |
| Re: Change in Halo= Good | Metalingus627 | 4/16/12 10:48 a.m. |
| Re: Change in Halo= Good | Metalingus627 | 4/16/12 10:48 a.m. |
| Now here's what I'm wondering | SonGoharotto | 4/15/12 1:25 p.m. |
| A tale of Spartan Points. | NsU Soldier | 4/15/12 5:44 p.m. |
| The Spartan Phone is ringing! | SonGoharotto | 4/15/12 9:19 p.m. |
| What if the Spartan phones... rang? *NM* | Louis Wu | 4/16/12 8:31 a.m. |
| Re: A tale of Spartan Points. | General Vagueness | 4/16/12 2:40 a.m. |
| Re: Change for change's sake. | uberfoop | 4/14/12 9:20 p.m. |
| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | Kermit | 4/15/12 8:37 p.m. |
| Re: Present thoughts about the future *long* | General Vagueness | 4/16/12 12:45 a.m. |
| When threads get this long... | Tiny | 4/16/12 4:08 p.m. |
| Re: When threads get this long... | uberfoop | 4/16/12 4:13 p.m. |
| Re: When threads get this long... | Schooly D | 4/16/12 4:26 p.m. |
| Re: When threads get this long... | Miguel Chavez | 4/16/12 4:34 p.m. |
| This. | Urban Reflex | 4/16/12 4:53 p.m. |
| Re: This. | Quirel | 4/16/12 6:06 p.m. |
| Re: When threads get this long... | Tiny | 4/16/12 10:36 p.m. |
| This thread is too long. Here, I'll make it longer | RC Master | 4/16/12 6:51 p.m. |
| Re: This thread is too long. Here, I'll make it lo | Miguel Chavez | 4/16/12 7:22 p.m. |
| Coke tastes better from a can. | Vandle Valsher | 4/16/12 7:57 p.m. |
| Re: Coke tastes better from a can. | Miguel Chavez | 4/16/12 8:40 p.m. |
| Re: Coke tastes better from a can. | Metalingus627 | 4/16/12 10:12 p.m. |
| Re: Coke tastes better from a can. | Gravemind | 4/16/12 11:28 p.m. |
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