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I hate to admit it...
Posted By: Narcogen <narcogen@rampancy.net>Date: 7/31/08 4:26 a.m.

In Response To: Re: My Theory on the Legendary Ending *kinda long* (Avateur)


: You know, at first when I was reading the theory and got to the part where
: you said he was sent back in time, I didn't even want to continue, but
: naturally I just had to, and I love the theory. It's plausible in so many
: ways (assuming Bungie actually pulled the time travel card), but there's
: also so many problems.

I feel the same way. I wish to deny it, yet in some ways it fits very well. Without time travel occurring somewhere along the line, you have to discard that "last time" reference by 343GS as something spurious or figurative, and something about that never sat right with me, perhaps because I didn't really want time travel let in.

: When I look at what 343 Guilty Spark said to the Chief, making it sound like
: he was the one that activated the Array or at least one of the
: Installations, it's harder to make sense of because we know that Didact
: was the one to activate the Array from the Ark, and that 343 Guilty Spark
: had presumably never been to the Ark because he just thought it was like a
: Shield World Installation, but was clearly mistaken. So yeah, now the
: situation with how 343 Guilty Spark recognizes Master Chief makes even
: less sense and has become even harder to figure out.

Well, what 343GS said has two parts. The first part was "last time, you asked me, would I do it" and the first part is "why would you hesitate to do what you have already done".

If one interprets the first "you" as a personal reference to the Chief, it means that they have met in the past, and the Chief asked GS if he would activate the rings. However, if the Chief travels back in time after the activation of 04a he doesn't need to ask that-- he already knows the answer.

One might interpret the second "you" to refer to humanity/forerunners as a species, then it doesn't matter that it's the Didact, and not the Chief, that activates the array the last time.

: Why do I say this? Well, here's why I have to discount the travel to the past
: theory. Master Chief wouldn't have a need to take advice from 343 Guilty
: Spark in the past if he came from the future, especially considering he'd
: (probably) remember everything that had occurred in the
: "present." 343 Guilty Spark trying to kill him for not
: activating Installation 04, trying to kill Cortana, and then killing
: Sergeant Johnson and trying to kill Arbiter and himself.

Indeed. Of course, one need not consider that question advice. It might merely be intellectual curiosity. In other words, finding out whether the monitor is really only following his programming, or has a mind of its own and wishes to set off the array for some purpose. Certainly the time travel theory puts the Chief in a position to be there at that time and perhaps have a conversation with 343GS about this, but it's difficult to see what the point of it would be.

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My Theory on the Legendary Ending *kinda long*Neloms 7/30/08 10:01 p.m.
     Re: My Theory on the Legendary Ending *kinda long*Avateur 7/31/08 4:02 a.m.
           Re: My Theory on the Legendary Ending *kinda long*GatchamanUK 7/31/08 4:24 a.m.
                 Re: My Theory on the Legendary Ending *kinda long*Narcogen 7/31/08 4:29 a.m.
                       Re: My Theory on the Legendary Ending *kinda long*GatchamanUK 7/31/08 4:43 a.m.
                             Re: My Theory on the Legendary Ending *kinda long*Narcogen 7/31/08 5:57 a.m.
                                   Re: My Theory on the Legendary Ending *kinda long*GatchamanUK 7/31/08 7:40 a.m.
                                         Re: My Theory on the Legendary Ending *kinda long*Ross Mills 7/31/08 7:54 a.m.
                                               Re: My Theory on the Legendary Ending *kinda long*UNSC_Trooper 7/31/08 8:05 a.m.
                                                     Re: My Theory on the Legendary Ending *kinda long*Ross Mills 7/31/08 8:20 a.m.
                                                           Re: My Theory on the Legendary Ending *kinda long*Avateur 7/31/08 2:25 p.m.
                                   What the hell's a gigawatt!!?!? *NM*Schedonnardus 7/31/08 10:12 a.m.
                                         You need 1.21 of them! *NM*SonofMacPhisto 7/31/08 1:43 p.m.
                                               I love how he calls them "Jiggawatts!" =) *NM*mendicantbias00 7/31/08 2:02 p.m.
                                                     Funny you say that...xMixMasterx 7/31/08 2:19 p.m.
                                                           Technically he is right...mendicantbias00 7/31/08 2:37 p.m.
                                                           Re: Funny you say that...Louis Wu 7/31/08 2:39 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Funny you say that...gunluva 7/31/08 3:38 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Funny you say that...xMixMasterX 9/23/08 5:52 p.m.
                                   Re: My Theory on the Legendary Ending *kinda long*Miguel Chavez 7/31/08 11:48 a.m.
                                   Re: My Theory on the Legendary Ending *kinda long*elessar787 7/31/08 1:38 p.m.
                                         Re: My Theory on the Legendary Ending *kinda long*Speedhuntr 7/31/08 3:40 p.m.
                                         Re: My Theory on the Legendary Ending *kinda long*Narcogen 8/1/08 12:28 a.m.
                                               Re: My Theory on the Legendary Ending *kinda long*Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 8/1/08 10:32 a.m.
                                                     Re: My Theory on the Legendary Ending *kinda long*Blackstar 8/2/08 7:50 p.m.
           I hate to admit it...Narcogen 7/31/08 4:26 a.m.
                 Re: I hate to admit it...Avateur 7/31/08 6:30 a.m.
                       Re: I hate to admit it...SonofMacPhisto 7/31/08 2:31 p.m.
                             Re: I hate to admit it...Narcogen 8/1/08 12:20 a.m.
                                   Re: I hate to admit it...SonofMacPhisto 8/1/08 1:00 a.m.
                 Re: I hate to admit it... *long*SonofMacPhisto 7/31/08 2:09 p.m.
                       Re: I hate to admit it... *long*Kiloh Ekim 7/31/08 5:09 p.m.
     Re: My Theory on the Legendary Ending *kinda long*xMixMasterx 7/31/08 7:04 a.m.
     Re: My Theory on the Legendary Ending *kinda long*Buttskunk 7/31/08 9:02 a.m.
     Re: My Theory on the Legendary Ending *kinda long*General Vagueness 7/31/08 9:31 a.m.
     I would love this....yakaman 7/31/08 11:24 a.m.
     ummm, maybe im wrong but...ActiveCamoElite 7/31/08 9:54 p.m.
           Re: ummm, maybe im wrong but...SonofMacPhisto 7/31/08 11:13 p.m.
           Re: ummm, maybe im wrong but...Neloms 7/31/08 11:30 p.m.
                 Re: ummm, maybe im wrong but...SonofMacPhisto 8/1/08 12:12 a.m.
                       Re: ummm, maybe im wrong but...Neloms 8/1/08 8:53 a.m.
                             Re: ummm, maybe im wrong but...scarab 8/1/08 2:34 p.m.
                 While we're on GS quotesxMixMasterx 8/1/08 7:24 a.m.
                       Re: While we're on GS quotesCrackshot53 8/1/08 9:29 p.m.
                             Re: While we're on GS quotesThaMahstah 9/18/08 2:56 p.m.
                                   Re: While we're on GS quotesThaMahstah 9/18/08 3:00 p.m.
                                         Re: While we're on GS quotesUrsusArctos 9/19/08 6:23 a.m.
                                   Re: While we're on GS quotespete_the_duck 9/18/08 3:15 p.m.
                 Re: ummm, maybe im wrong but...Rox 9/6/08 10:34 a.m.
     Great Theory, a couple of thoughts thoughonebitrocket 8/1/08 6:49 a.m.
     Re: My Theory on the Legendary Ending *kinda long*Desmond X 9/5/08 3:56 p.m.
           Re: My Theory on the Legendary Ending *kinda long* *NM*scarab 9/5/08 6:27 p.m.
           Re: My Theory on the Legendary Ending *kinda long*Jillybean 9/6/08 6:11 a.m.
           Cortana went back there, huh?UrsusArctos 9/18/08 7:46 a.m.
                 Re: Cortana went back there, huh?Brian Wahl 9/18/08 8:12 a.m.
                       Re: Cortana went back there, huh?Jillybean 9/18/08 1:29 p.m.
                             Re: Cortana went back there, huh?Brian Wahl 9/18/08 2:01 p.m.
                                   Re: Cortana went back there, huh?Jillybean 9/18/08 2:25 p.m.
                                         Re: Cortana went back there, huh?Urk 9/18/08 2:32 p.m.
                                         Re: Cortana went back there, huh?ThaMahstah 9/18/08 2:34 p.m.
                                         True. Very true. *NM*UrsusArctos 9/19/08 6:17 a.m.
                                         Re: Cortana went back there, huh?SonofMacPhisto 9/19/08 4:38 p.m.
                       Re: Cortana went back there, huh?UrsusArctos 9/19/08 6:15 a.m.
                             Re: Cortana went back there, huh?P1TVIPER 9/20/08 10:10 a.m.
                                   Mitochondrial Eve = Librarian? *NM*Jillybean 9/20/08 10:39 a.m.
                                         Nah *SP*Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 9/20/08 11:05 a.m.
                                               Re: Nah *SP*Jillybean 9/20/08 11:34 a.m.
                                                     Re: Nah *SP*UrsusArctos 9/20/08 9:46 p.m.
                                         Re: Mitochondrial pillars of hercukes ;) *NM*vshields ash 9/21/08 1:28 p.m.
     Hopefully helping with the understanding:Ragnarok 9/23/08 3:57 p.m.
           Opinion *Long*Relative Assessment 9/26/08 10:50 p.m.
     Re: My Theory on the Legendary Ending *kinda long*jdpowers19 10/13/08 12:48 a.m.



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