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Re: Nothing to talk about?
Posted By: Dhud <hpwebmaster@hotmail.com>Date: 3/13/06 11:00 a.m.

In Response To: Nothing to talk about? (Narcogen)

I agree wholeheartedly. I do understand why Bungie wouldn't discuss ANY of the details, features, and storylines in the game (the inevitable stuff that angered people in Halo 2 when they weren't included in the final game). But I don't exactly understand the reasoning behind just not confirming it at all. I think if Bungie just gave us the yes or no answer, are they working on Halo 3, it would end much of the confusion and debate among the Halo fandom.

: I think that's assumed. The question for months now has been why there isn't
: anything Bungie wants to talk about. Especially when Frankie is writing
: that things are going so well and there are so many cool things and that
: he wants to talk about them but he can't.

: That creates the impression that not only does Microsoft want to talk about
: some new project that may or may not be "Halo 3" but can't (or
: rather does, but then recants) because Bungie hasn't announced it, but
: that individual employees also want to talk about this new project, while
: others say that there isn't anything they want to talk about.

: There either is, or is not, a pink elephant in the room. I think many of us
: would just like it acknowledged whether or not it's really there, even if
: we don't get any details whatsoever on what kind of pink elephant it is or
: when it is going to be released in stores. If it's there, we can reassure
: ourselves that we're not seeing things. If it's not, we can all go back to
: our twelve-step programs and try to put our lives back together.

: Forgive a poor fan for feeling confused. Even for those who have followed
: Bungie since before Halo, this is a rather novel situation.

: After Myth 2 shipped there was a gap before Halo was officially announced.
: Given that the Halo engine originally was intended as a replacement for
: the Myth engine, there was an understandable period of doubt about whether
: Bungie was continuing that series or doing something entirely new.

: However, the conclusion of Myth 2 arrived at a more or less satisfactory
: logical and dramatic conclusion, unlike Halo 2. In addition, the hardware
: platforms that Myth 2 ran on, Windows and MacOS, were not financially
: depending on another installment of that series to provide the bulk of
: their sales, unlike the Xbox and Xbox 360.

: It's beyond just not wanting to talk about anything, but a question of
: whether or not Bungie will confirm or deny multiple statements made by
: other well-placed people in Microsoft's management structure to the effect
: that Bungie is working on a game that for practical purposes may be
: referred to as "Halo 3".

: Bungie's insistence that those statements were to be disregarded as only
: Bungie will announce what Bungie is working on can, is, and will be
: interpreted differently depending on what the final announcement actually
: is.

: If Bungie eventually does announce that it is, and has been, working on a
: game that for all practical purposes may be referred to as "Halo
: 3" then there will certainly be those who will come to the conclusion
: that Bungie is not, in fact, a completely autonomous unit within Microsoft
: free to do whatever it wishes (within reason) but is at the disposal of
: the corporation which owns it and is bound to follow its instructions.

: This is a fairly logical conclusion to make. I imagine most people, given the
: financial success of Halo 1 and Halo 2, would choose to develop a third
: installment of the series were they in Microsoft's position.

: One may conclude that Bungie wished to maintain the appearance of autonomy,
: and perhaps even express its displeasure with Microsoft's premature
: statements, by forcing those people to eat their words and then entering a
: long period of enforced silence.

: Given that such a game as "Halo 3" would be highly anticipated, if
: Bungie should choose not to develop it at this time, it seems logical to
: assume that such an announcement would be made earlier rather than later
: to stem the tide of those who were expecting that the next project would
: be Halo 3 , irrespective of Microsoft's own announcements. Many gamers I
: think came to the conclusion that Bungie did intend to develop a third
: game based solely on the way in which the second ended, which was far more
: open-ended than the first. The latter merely left the door open for
: sequels, where the former practically demands it.

: One may posit a situation in which Bungie makes absolutely no announcements
: until the current project is actually finished and shipping to stores.
: Gamers arrive on site to purchase the new Bungie game and find, to their
: surprise and possible chagrin, that it is not Halo 3. Violence ensues.

: Bungie staffers did make statements to the effect that Bungie would be
: pursuing other non-Halo projects after shipping Halo 2. These statements
: were later replaced with the now-standard mantra that nothing has been
: announced. I don't think it's going out on much of a limb to say that this
: represents either a change in direction (that is, Bungie was going to work
: on other projects, but is now instead working on Halo 3) or a desire to
: create the impression that this change has taken place.

: I recognize that Bungie has no responsibility to gamers to make "Halo
: 3" or any other game-- or indeed to fulfill any whim of the market.
: We paid our money for the games we already have-- either we like them or
: we don't and that's it.

: It is also more than likely that any rancor generated by this silence will
: evaporate the instant any announcement is made that Halo 3 is in
: development. Should an announcement be made that it is not, I think people
: will wonder why that announcement took so long to make, and then I suppose
: the conspiracy theorists will really start having a field day.

: The whole thing from the release of Halo 2 up until now reminds me of a
: dialogue exchange in one of my favorite movies, "Blazing
: Saddles", between the know-nothing, philandering Governor, played by
: Mel Brooks, and Hedley Lamarr, played by Harvey Korman.

: It goes something like this: Hedley Lamarr: Meeting adjourned! Oh, I am sorry
: sir, I didn't mean to overstep my bounds; you say that.
: Governor Lepetomane: Say what?
: Hedley Lamarr: Meeting is adjourned.
: Governor Lepetomane: It is?
: Hedley Lamarr: No, you say that, governor!
: Governor Lepetomane: What?
: Hedley Lamarr: Meeting is adjourned!
: Governor Lepetomane: It is?
: Hedley Lamarr: Here sir, play with this! [Hands the governor a rubber ball
: and paddle set.]

: The phrase "Halo 3 is in development" as uttered by Bill Gates and
: others fits nicely into Lamarr's dialogue in place of "meeting is
: adjourned".

: It is?


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I didn't bother reading the Weekly Updatetsuranuku 3/10/06 11:00 p.m.
     Re: I didn't bother reading the Weekly UpdateHossBGH 3/10/06 11:03 p.m.
           Re: I didn't bother reading the Weekly Updatetsuranuku 3/10/06 11:06 p.m.
                 Re: I didn't bother reading the Weekly UpdateDojorkan 3/10/06 11:25 p.m.
           Re: I didn't bother reading the Weekly UpdateGuy Sanders 3/13/06 3:38 p.m.
     Re: I didn't bother reading the Weekly UpdateKP 3/10/06 11:06 p.m.
     Thanks for the update, Tom.Vironex 3/10/06 11:39 p.m.
     Re: I didn't bother reading the Weekly UpdateTwelve Large 3/11/06 12:47 a.m.
     I didn't bother reading your commentNarcogen 3/11/06 1:42 a.m.
           I didn't bother reading your reply to his comment.stan 3/11/06 3:02 a.m.
           Re: I didn't bother reading your commentSchooly D 3/11/06 4:08 a.m.
                 Re: I didn't bother reading your commentNarcogen 3/11/06 5:40 a.m.
                       Re: I didn't bother reading your commentSchooly D 3/11/06 4:09 p.m.
                             Re: I didn't bother reading your commentmnemesis 3/11/06 5:08 p.m.
                                   Re: I didn't bother reading your commentSchooly D 3/11/06 5:45 p.m.
                       Re: I didn't bother reading your commentMSN 3/12/06 5:36 p.m.
                             Nothing to talk about?Narcogen 3/12/06 10:44 p.m.
                                   Re: Nothing to talk about?MSN 3/12/06 11:36 p.m.
                                   Re: Nothing to talk about?Miguel Chavez 3/13/06 12:56 a.m.
                                         Re: Nothing to talk about?Narcogen 3/13/06 1:22 a.m.
                                               Re: Nothing to talk about?Ma1agate 3/13/06 9:50 a.m.
                                   Re: Nothing to talk about?Dhud 3/13/06 11:00 a.m.
                                   Well said. *NM*c0ld vengeance 3/13/06 12:12 p.m.
                                   I agree! *NM*Schooly D 3/13/06 12:28 p.m.
                                         Re: I agree! *NM*mnemesis 3/13/06 12:44 p.m.
                                               You're a ho.Schooly D 3/13/06 1:13 p.m.
                                                     It's "You's" *NM*Hawaiian Pig 3/13/06 1:43 p.m.
                                                           Schoo's a ho. *NM*KP 3/13/06 1:58 p.m.
                                   Re: Nothing to talk about?DarkestHour 3/13/06 1:08 p.m.
                                   Delayed for what reason?Hawaiian Pig 3/13/06 1:11 p.m.
                                         As a side note...Hawaiian Pig 3/13/06 1:20 p.m.
                                               Re: As a side note...Ma1agate 3/13/06 2:19 p.m.
                                                     Re: As a side note...Narcogen 3/13/06 7:42 p.m.
                                                           Re: As a side note...tsuranuku 3/13/06 8:00 p.m.
                                               Halo 2 announcement timingNarcogen 3/13/06 7:40 p.m.
                                         good god, this thread is huge. *NM*MasterCheifn 3/14/06 7:36 a.m.
                                   Re: Nothing to talk about?Zenmasta 3/13/06 1:37 p.m.
                                   Re: I still prefer "stfu"gspawn 3/13/06 3:23 p.m.
                                   Well...Spenser 3/13/06 4:38 p.m.
                                   Re: Nothing to talk about?Icebreaker117 3/13/06 5:26 p.m.
                                   Re: Nothing to talk about?elessar787 3/13/06 5:30 p.m.
                                   Re: Nothing to talk about?Brodingo 3/13/06 6:05 p.m.
                                   Wow I didn't check this thread for several days!tsuranuku 3/13/06 7:24 p.m.
                 methinks you jumped the gun thereMiguel Chavez 3/11/06 2:42 p.m.
                       Re: methinks you jumped the gun thereSchooly D 3/11/06 4:10 p.m.
           Re: I didn't bother reading your commentCaptain Spark 3/13/06 9:38 a.m.
                 Re: I didn't bother reading your commentJim Shorts 3/13/06 10:14 a.m.
                 Re: I didn't bother reading your commentc0ld vengeance 3/13/06 10:43 a.m.
                       Re: I didn't bother reading your commentCaptain Spark 3/13/06 11:12 a.m.
                             Re: I didn't bother reading your commentNarcogen 3/15/06 4:02 a.m.
     Re: I didn't bother reading...vshields ash 3/11/06 4:42 a.m.
           I can't read. *NM*Stuntmutt 3/11/06 5:58 a.m.
                 That Explains Alot! *NM*Sparkypinball 3/15/06 5:13 a.m.
     Insert generic rebuttal here. *NM*Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 3/11/06 6:56 a.m.
           Re: Insert generic rebuttal here.Twelve Large 3/12/06 2:50 a.m.
     Re: Bungie "has to" release more info!gspawn 3/11/06 10:21 a.m.
     Re: I didn't bother etc etchminn 3/11/06 12:18 p.m.
           Thank you. *NM*Spenser 3/11/06 12:38 p.m.
     I didn't bother reading this threadMichael M. 3/13/06 1:00 a.m.
           I can't believe I just read this thread *NM* *NM*Zelp 3/13/06 10:57 a.m.
     Re: I didn't bother reading the Weekly UpdateCody Miller 3/13/06 11:00 a.m.
           Re: I didn't bother reading the Weekly UpdateLouis Wu 3/13/06 11:05 a.m.
           Re: I didn't bother reading the Weekly UpdateShishka 3/13/06 12:15 p.m.
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                                   Err, I meant Ducain, not SchoolyDanteThePoet 3/13/06 2:58 p.m.
                             Re: What Shiska SaidCocopjojo 3/13/06 3:10 p.m.
                                   Dante, you said it as I typed it. *NM*Cocopjojo 3/13/06 3:11 p.m.
                                   Except Gnop 2..for the 360...in 4D and HD *NM*DanteThePoet 3/13/06 3:16 p.m.
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                                         Re: What Shiska SaidDanteThePoet 3/13/06 3:40 p.m.
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                             What 99% of us fan's really want..[TD] JR007 3/13/06 8:58 p.m.
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           Re: I didn't bother reading the Weekly UpdateFrankie 3/13/06 12:29 p.m.
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                             Re: I didn't bother reading the Weekly UpdateCaptain Spark 3/13/06 1:20 p.m.
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                                                           I read the pictures *NM*Pak 3/13/06 3:16 p.m.
                 my Update Requestmr_mcmurder 3/13/06 12:58 p.m.
                 Human Natureyakaman 3/13/06 1:24 p.m.
                 That's not a misspelling, that's a Freudian slip!Ma1agate 3/13/06 1:28 p.m.
                 Re: I didn't bother reading the Weekly UpdateCocopjojo 3/13/06 3:17 p.m.
                 I love Bungie.Ryan Broxterman 3/13/06 4:44 p.m.
                       Right on! *NM*Cocopjojo 3/13/06 4:55 p.m.
                 Re: I didn't bother reading the Weekly UpdateMike Selling (aka Quantifier) 3/13/06 6:21 p.m.
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