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the honeymoon is over. :(
Posted By: Miguel ChavezDate: 5/10/05 11:31 a.m.

In Response To: Re: MPPRS - Am I just in a bad mood? *longish* (Target4Hire)

: Here's an interesting point that I don't recall having been addressed in the
: whole MPRRS impetus. As I understand the rules at the moment, anonymity
: and objectivity are supposed to be hallmarks of a system like this.
: Whether or not some of Mere's friends are on the reviewer list is somewhat
: immaterial; the fact that the reviewers were able to see who submitted
: that video may be a problem in and of itself.

: Now, my above idea brings up a whole new set of problems. I think some may
: recall the controversy surrounding the video that passed the MPRRS because
: it was 95% made by Dan Chosich, just with some reworking of some of the
: scenes. Since that submitter put his name on "his" work, those
: familiar with Dan's films were able to note the plagiarism and deduct his
: points accordingly. Had this film been submitted anonymously, it would
: have been Louis who would more than likely have found that glaring flaw.
: Come to think of it, that's not terrible, but the point of the system was
: to pass a movie and submit it to Louis for hosting , not subsequent
: reviewing. Obviously he has veto power, but the preferred method is for
: the MPRRS to retain most of the power in this setup.

: Long and short, I see only a couple options to alleviate this type of
: problem. First, perhaps the MPRRS should require that ending credits are
: not part of a submission and all movies will include a text version of
: credits that are "locked" until the movie has passed and is
: released to/by/through Louis. Second, and requiring more effort and
: analysis, comprise the MPRRS team with people who are demonstrably capable
: of objective video reviewing as well as an "out of sight, out of
: mind" attitude to resubmissions.

: Quick response: this makes pretty good sense, but then we move into a
: seldom-travelled territory of actual censorship in the MPRRS. Whether this
: is morally/ethically/Constitutionally correct is open for debate on other
: forums by other debaters more philosophically minded than I. I don't know
: about everyone, but were I to see a video pass through that had music with
: questionable or offensive lyrics, lewd acts ( Blue Goo was funny but
: borderline ;) ), filmed griefing (I haven't watched Mere's latest, but it
: sounds like it includes a wanton amount of this), or just general lack of
: taste or cleanliness, I would not be pleased to have wasted my time and
: Mythica's bandwidth on such a film. Again, we're talking very subjectively
: here, but a certain amount of content ground rules may make the difference
: between a griefing montage passing and failing.

: Consider yourselves a bit more than two American cents richer.

Not targeting you directly (heh, i made a punny) but when folks start batting around 'fixing' the thing that was originally a 'fix' in the first place... it starts to smell funny. And when folks start to think 'conspiracy' over submitters, etc. Ugh, that's not a good sign.

We should let Wu and CYBRFRK do whatever they need without our meddling and see how it goes.

I'm sorry Mere that your getting bashed on this. I do consider even the Training grounds to be worthy of 'no-wankage' but that's just me. I don't think you deserve banning for it. This time. :)

Listen folks, as part of a community on this forum, I can let another person know my feelings on the matter, it doesn't require we immediately 'call the cops' if the infraction isn't 'chronic'. I hope you all get my gist here.

- Miguel

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Replies:

MPPRS - Am I just in a bad mood?Miguel Chavez 5/10/05 9:23 a.m.
     It only got through narrowly =)MereCatfish 5/10/05 9:36 a.m.
     Re: MPPRS - Am I just in a bad mood?Louis Wu 5/10/05 9:41 a.m.
     Re: MPPRS - Am I just in a bad mood?nof 5/10/05 9:53 a.m.
           Re: MPPRS - Am I just in a bad mood?Louis Wu 5/10/05 9:55 a.m.
                 Re: MPPRS - Am I just in a bad mood?CYBRFRK 5/10/05 10:19 a.m.
                       Re: MPPRS - Am I just in a bad mood?SumsophisticatedName 5/10/05 10:55 a.m.
                             Re: MPPRS - Am I just in a bad mood?Target4Hire 5/10/05 11:09 a.m.
                       Re: MPPRS - Am I just in a bad mood?Sep7imus [subnova] 5/10/05 1:50 p.m.
                 Nof is just a bitter and twisted old man. *NM*Ma1agate 5/10/05 3:35 p.m.
           Re: MPPRS - Am I just in a bad mood?Captain Spark 5/10/05 10:27 a.m.
                 Re: MPPRS - Am I just in a bad mood?MereCatfish 5/10/05 10:47 a.m.
                       Re: MPPRS - Am I just in a bad mood?Count Zero 5/10/05 11:27 a.m.
                             Re: MPPRS - Am I just in a bad mood?c0ld vengeance 5/10/05 11:33 a.m.
                                   For the Brits among us...prometheus 5/10/05 12:04 p.m.
                             Re: MPPRS - Am I just in a bad mood?Captain Spark 5/10/05 11:38 a.m.
                 Re: MPPRS - Am I just in a bad mood? *longish*Target4Hire 5/10/05 11:07 a.m.
                       the honeymoon is over. :(Miguel Chavez 5/10/05 11:31 a.m.
                             Re: the honeymoon is over. :(Target4Hire 5/10/05 11:56 a.m.
                       Re: MPPRS - Am I just in a bad mood? *longish*Captain Spark 5/10/05 11:33 a.m.
                       Addendum and Apology (read: pwning up)Target4Hire 5/11/05 11:37 a.m.
                 Re: MPPRS - Am I just in a bad mood?c0ld vengeance 5/10/05 1:55 p.m.
                       Re: MPPRS - Am I just in a bad mood?Captain Spark 5/10/05 2:11 p.m.
                             Re: MPPRS - Am I just in a bad mood?c0ld vengeance 5/10/05 2:16 p.m.
           OK, I changed my mindMiguel Chavez 5/10/05 10:43 a.m.
                 My thoughtsPhillowe88 5/10/05 11:38 a.m.
                       OpinionsGil Galahad 5/10/05 1:02 p.m.
                             Re: OpinionsPhillowe88 5/10/05 2:13 p.m.
                                   Re: OpinionsGil Galahad 5/10/05 3:11 p.m.
                 Re: OK, I changed my mindStuntmutt 5/10/05 1:13 p.m.
                       Re: OK, I changed my mindSpec ops Grunt 5/10/05 1:31 p.m.
                 Re: OK, I changed my mindnof 5/10/05 2:37 p.m.
                       Re: OK, I changed my mindCaptain Spark 5/10/05 2:48 p.m.
           Screwing aroung in training gamesBonekin 5/10/05 12:39 p.m.
                 Re: Screwing aroung in training gamesAndrew J. 5/10/05 1:25 p.m.
                       Re: Screwing aroung in training gamesN1GHTHAWK 117 5/10/05 3:40 p.m.
           Re: MPPRS - Am I just in a bad mood?KP 5/10/05 8:26 p.m.
                 Re: dogchow is the pillar of integrity. *NM*Dan Chosich 5/10/05 8:40 p.m.
                       ...?dogchow33 5/11/05 4:21 p.m.
     Re: MPPRS - Am I just in a bad mood?Andz 5/10/05 10:27 a.m.
           Re: MPPRS - Am I just in a bad mood?Louis Wu 5/10/05 10:32 a.m.
                 Re: MPPRS - Am I just in a bad mood?Bassetts 5/10/05 12:05 p.m.
                 Re: MPPRS - Am I just in a bad mood?Michael M. 5/11/05 1:35 a.m.
     I think this would solve it for now.MereCatfish 5/10/05 12:25 p.m.
           Chin up Mere!Stuntmutt 5/10/05 2:18 p.m.
           Re: I think this would solve it for now.Sweden-MB 5/10/05 3:19 p.m.
     Whereas I enjoy the public flogging...CYBRFRK 5/10/05 12:36 p.m.
           u eeeeeeeeeeeediotMiguel Chavez 5/10/05 1:28 p.m.
                 !guH a em eviG *NM*CYBRFRK 5/10/05 2:02 p.m.
                 Awww...I mean ewwwGil Galahad 5/10/05 3:16 p.m.
     Just a quick note...Gil Galahad 5/10/05 1:22 p.m.
     My say...7he One 5/10/05 2:13 p.m.
           Re: My say...Captain Spark 5/10/05 2:29 p.m.
                 Re: My say...Hawk7886 5/10/05 2:42 p.m.
                       Re: My say...Gil Galahad 5/10/05 3:23 p.m.
                       Re: My say...spaartan117 5/10/05 3:28 p.m.
                       Training is not for griefingNarcogen 5/10/05 11:08 p.m.
     Re: MPPRS *my position *longishdjpaddock20 5/10/05 4:21 p.m.
           Re: MPPRS *my position *longishN1ghthawk117 5/10/05 5:12 p.m.
                 Re: MPPRS *my position *longishdjpaddock20 5/10/05 9:12 p.m.
                       Re: MPPRS *my position *longishN1GHTHAWK 117 5/10/05 10:35 p.m.
     Re: MPPRS - Am I just in a bad mood?Urban Reflex 5/10/05 5:47 p.m.
     Re: MPPRS - Am I just in a bad mood?xitwound117 5/10/05 7:48 p.m.
           Thar be me *NM* *NM*Pico@School 5/11/05 8:43 p.m.



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