Re: PID for OS X


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Re: PID for OS X

Posted By: Ron Hunsinger Date: 4/16/13 7:50 p.m.
In Response To: Re: PID for OS X (Mark Levin)

: Incidentally, from comments in the source, this bug may date all the way back
: the Minotaur:
: Tuesday, June 30, 1992 9:04:33 PM
: from minotaur’s CREATE_MAZE.C; hacked for the new grid architecture as a test
: for minotaur3d.
Probably not. There's nothing wrong with the way they generate the maze. The problem comes after the maze has been built, when they populate it with monsters.
It's apparent that the maze-generating code is using a separate library. There's an abrupt change in style for that block of code, and a parameter block that the main program builds and passes to the maze-generator. (Some of the parameters are: average length of a hallway before you reconsider whether to continue or turn; probability that you'll tear down a wall even if doing so creates a cycle; the addresses of subroutines to call to see if there's a wall at a given place, and to build/tear down a wall.)
After the maze is built, they add spheres and detritus. That code is in the same style as the rest of the game, and not in the style of the maze-generator.
Another place where the program has a similar abrupt change in style is with the code to talk to the dead. That also appears to be an independently-developed library. Communication is again through a parameter block, with pointers to callback procedures to: get a line of input text; display a line of output text; test something in the environment given the "name" of that something, etc. For example, testing "dark" responds with whether your light is on.
But why am I telling you this? You have the source code!
Actually, a third place where there's a marked style change is when a monster on the prowl is calculating a path to you, and in general choosing a short-term strategy. That's not as abrupt a style break as in the other two cases, but it is clear that it was written by at least a different team.

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PID for OS X Godot 4/9/13 7:02 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X treellama 4/9/13 7:39 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Mark Levin 4/9/13 8:28 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Destiny 4/9/13 8:49 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Hopper 4/9/13 10:03 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Mark Levin 4/9/13 10:28 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X lucas93 4/9/13 3:08 p.m.

Re: PID for OS X Yossarian 4/9/13 3:59 p.m.

Re: PID for OS X selbstmord 4/11/13 7:40 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X President People 4/11/13 3:00 p.m.

Re: PID for OS X ukimalefu 4/11/13 11:38 p.m.

Re: PID for OS X PerseusSpartacus 4/12/13 12:04 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X PerseusSpartacus 4/9/13 8:25 p.m.

Re: PID for OS X ukimalefu 4/10/13 12:17 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Godot 4/10/13 12:34 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X ukimalefu 4/10/13 12:36 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Mark Levin 4/10/13 6:08 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Godot 4/10/13 6:29 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Godot 4/10/13 6:32 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Hopper 4/10/13 7:31 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Mark Levin 4/10/13 8:20 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X PerseusSpartacus 4/10/13 9:22 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Hopper 4/10/13 11:07 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X PerseusSpartacus 4/10/13 11:21 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X MrM12LRV 4/10/13 2:29 p.m.

SPOILER ALERT! You need to find this ukimalefu 4/11/13 2:08 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Ron Hunsinger 4/15/13 7:53 p.m.

Re: PID for OS X Mark Levin 4/16/13 6:54 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Ron Hunsinger 4/16/13 5:21 p.m.

Re: PID for OS X Mark Levin 4/16/13 6:00 p.m.

Re: PID for OS X Ron Hunsinger 4/16/13 7:50 p.m.

Re: PID for OS X Mark Levin 4/16/13 8:46 p.m.

Re: PID for OS X Hopper 4/17/13 6:11 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Mark Levin 4/17/13 7:16 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Hopper 4/17/13 8:14 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Ron Hunsinger 4/18/13 1:01 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Ron Hunsinger 4/18/13 1:09 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Hopper 4/19/13 7:32 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Mark Levin 4/19/13 8:28 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Ron Hunsinger 4/19/13 7:33 p.m.

Re: PID for OS X Ron Hunsinger 4/18/13 3:11 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Hopper 4/17/13 7:01 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Mark Levin 4/17/13 7:12 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Hopper 4/17/13 7:50 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X PerseusSpartacus 4/18/13 8:14 p.m.

Re: PID for OS X ukimalefu 4/19/13 2:41 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Ron Hunsinger 4/19/13 4:10 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X PerseusSpartacus 4/19/13 6:31 p.m.

Re: PID for OS X Ron Hunsinger 4/19/13 7:55 p.m.

Re: PID for OS X treellama 4/20/13 5:11 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X PerseusSpartacus 4/20/13 9:38 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X bakudd 4/22/13 6:39 a.m.

PID 1.2 released Mark Levin 5/6/13 8:49 p.m.

Re: PID 1.2 released Godot 5/6/13 10:47 p.m.

Re: PID 1.2 released Hopper 5/7/13 10:31 a.m.

Re: PID 1.2 released ukimalefu 5/7/13 1:45 a.m.

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: Probably not. There's nothing wrong with the way they generate the maze. The : problem comes after the maze has been built, when they populate it with : monsters. : It's apparent that the maze-generating code is using a separate library. : There's an abrupt change in style for that block of code, and a parameter : block that the main program builds and passes to the maze-generator. (Some : of the parameters are: average length of a hallway before you reconsider : whether to continue or turn; probability that you'll tear down a wall even : if doing so creates a cycle; the addresses of subroutines to call to see : if there's a wall at a given place, and to build/tear down a wall.) : After the maze is built, they add spheres and detritus. That code is in the : same style as the rest of the game, and not in the style of the : maze-generator. : Another place where the program has a similar abrupt change in style is with : the code to talk to the dead. That also appears to be an : independently-developed library. Communication is again through a : parameter block, with pointers to callback procedures to: get a line of : input text; display a line of output text; test something in the : environment given the "name" of that something, etc. For : example, testing "dark" responds with whether your light is on. : But why am I telling you this? You have the source code! : Actually, a third place where there's a marked style change is when a monster : on the prowl is calculating a path to you, and in general choosing a : short-term strategy. That's not as abrupt a style break as in the other : two cases, but it is clear that it was written by at least a different : team.

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PID for OS X	Godot	4/9/13 7:02 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	treellama	4/9/13 7:39 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Mark Levin	4/9/13 8:28 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Destiny	4/9/13 8:49 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Hopper	4/9/13 10:03 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Mark Levin	4/9/13 10:28 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	lucas93	4/9/13 3:08 p.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Yossarian	4/9/13 3:59 p.m.
Re: PID for OS X	selbstmord	4/11/13 7:40 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	President People	4/11/13 3:00 p.m.
Re: PID for OS X	ukimalefu	4/11/13 11:38 p.m.
Re: PID for OS X	PerseusSpartacus	4/12/13 12:04 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	PerseusSpartacus	4/9/13 8:25 p.m.
Re: PID for OS X	ukimalefu	4/10/13 12:17 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Godot	4/10/13 12:34 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	ukimalefu	4/10/13 12:36 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Mark Levin	4/10/13 6:08 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Godot	4/10/13 6:29 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Godot	4/10/13 6:32 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Hopper	4/10/13 7:31 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Mark Levin	4/10/13 8:20 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	PerseusSpartacus	4/10/13 9:22 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Hopper	4/10/13 11:07 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	PerseusSpartacus	4/10/13 11:21 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	MrM12LRV	4/10/13 2:29 p.m.
SPOILER ALERT! You need to find this	ukimalefu	4/11/13 2:08 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Ron Hunsinger	4/15/13 7:53 p.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Mark Levin	4/16/13 6:54 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Ron Hunsinger	4/16/13 5:21 p.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Mark Levin	4/16/13 6:00 p.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Ron Hunsinger	4/16/13 7:50 p.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Mark Levin	4/16/13 8:46 p.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Hopper	4/17/13 6:11 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Mark Levin	4/17/13 7:16 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Hopper	4/17/13 8:14 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Ron Hunsinger	4/18/13 1:01 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Ron Hunsinger	4/18/13 1:09 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Hopper	4/19/13 7:32 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Mark Levin	4/19/13 8:28 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Ron Hunsinger	4/19/13 7:33 p.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Ron Hunsinger	4/18/13 3:11 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Hopper	4/17/13 7:01 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Mark Levin	4/17/13 7:12 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Hopper	4/17/13 7:50 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	PerseusSpartacus	4/18/13 8:14 p.m.
Re: PID for OS X	ukimalefu	4/19/13 2:41 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Ron Hunsinger	4/19/13 4:10 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	PerseusSpartacus	4/19/13 6:31 p.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Ron Hunsinger	4/19/13 7:55 p.m.
Re: PID for OS X	treellama	4/20/13 5:11 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	PerseusSpartacus	4/20/13 9:38 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	bakudd	4/22/13 6:39 a.m.
PID 1.2 released	Mark Levin	5/6/13 8:49 p.m.
Re: PID 1.2 released	Godot	5/6/13 10:47 p.m.
Re: PID 1.2 released	Hopper	5/7/13 10:31 a.m.
Re: PID 1.2 released	ukimalefu	5/7/13 1:45 a.m.



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	Message: : Probably not. There's nothing wrong with the way they generate the maze. The : problem comes after the maze has been built, when they populate it with : monsters. : It's apparent that the maze-generating code is using a separate library. : There's an abrupt change in style for that block of code, and a parameter : block that the main program builds and passes to the maze-generator. (Some : of the parameters are: average length of a hallway before you reconsider : whether to continue or turn; probability that you'll tear down a wall even : if doing so creates a cycle; the addresses of subroutines to call to see : if there's a wall at a given place, and to build/tear down a wall.) : After the maze is built, they add spheres and detritus. That code is in the : same style as the rest of the game, and not in the style of the : maze-generator. : Another place where the program has a similar abrupt change in style is with : the code to talk to the dead. That also appears to be an : independently-developed library. Communication is again through a : parameter block, with pointers to callback procedures to: get a line of : input text; display a line of output text; test something in the : environment given the "name" of that something, etc. For : example, testing "dark" responds with whether your light is on. : But why am I telling you this? You have the source code! : Actually, a third place where there's a marked style change is when a monster : on the prowl is calculating a path to you, and in general choosing a : short-term strategy. That's not as abrupt a style break as in the other : two cases, but it is clear that it was written by at least a different : team.
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