Re: PID for OS X


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Re: PID for OS X

Posted By: Ron Hunsinger Date: 4/16/13 5:21 p.m.
In Response To: Re: PID for OS X (Mark Levin)

: The source we were provided appears to be Pathways 1.0, which didn't include
: the cheat codes at all, so they had to be reimplemented from scratch. Mea
: culpa (doubly so because I did discover that saving on OKWEWS will make
: the game very confused and probably crash but I didn't think to forbid
: it).
Ah, that would explain why control characters aren't being swallowed while you type in the cheat code. The player character keeps twitching around while you type. (The Bungie implementation made a record of control characters, so it could detect when they spelled something interesting, but did not let them pass through to the main game.)
: This wasn't fixed, but it was more of a deliberate choice this time. Whenever
: something gets ported (as opposed to being remade or updated) each
: behavior that can be clearly identified as not part of the intent is a
: judgement call, and this wasn't sufficiently game-breaking to be
: addressed. Thus, the Labyrinth works exactly like it did in the original.
I suspected (and feared) that would be your reasoning. OK, your port, your judgment call. I would have made the change, because from seeing the disassembled code it is clear that Bungie intended to scatter the spheres randomly throughout the level instead of considering only 60 possible places (about half of them probably being solid rock and therefore unavailable) to put 20 spheres into, and they themselves would probably have fixed this on a later version. But I understand. I can live with it.
In the meantime, I've found another bug. When you restore from a saved game, the displayed date/time doesn't get updated. I noticed this while in the locked room on I'd Rather Be Surfing. An hour into the ordeal, I found myself wanting to start over, but according to the clock I didn't get the hour back.
It turns out it's a cosmetic issue. The internal game clock is correct; it's only the displayed clock that remains frozen until the game clock eventually catches up with it again. The workaround is to remove your watch and put it back on again.

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PID for OS X Godot 4/9/13 7:02 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X treellama 4/9/13 7:39 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Mark Levin 4/9/13 8:28 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Destiny 4/9/13 8:49 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Hopper 4/9/13 10:03 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Mark Levin 4/9/13 10:28 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X lucas93 4/9/13 3:08 p.m.

Re: PID for OS X Yossarian 4/9/13 3:59 p.m.

Re: PID for OS X selbstmord 4/11/13 7:40 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X President People 4/11/13 3:00 p.m.

Re: PID for OS X ukimalefu 4/11/13 11:38 p.m.

Re: PID for OS X PerseusSpartacus 4/12/13 12:04 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X PerseusSpartacus 4/9/13 8:25 p.m.

Re: PID for OS X ukimalefu 4/10/13 12:17 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Godot 4/10/13 12:34 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X ukimalefu 4/10/13 12:36 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Mark Levin 4/10/13 6:08 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Godot 4/10/13 6:29 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Godot 4/10/13 6:32 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Hopper 4/10/13 7:31 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Mark Levin 4/10/13 8:20 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X PerseusSpartacus 4/10/13 9:22 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Hopper 4/10/13 11:07 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X PerseusSpartacus 4/10/13 11:21 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X MrM12LRV 4/10/13 2:29 p.m.

SPOILER ALERT! You need to find this ukimalefu 4/11/13 2:08 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Ron Hunsinger 4/15/13 7:53 p.m.

Re: PID for OS X Mark Levin 4/16/13 6:54 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Ron Hunsinger 4/16/13 5:21 p.m.

Re: PID for OS X Mark Levin 4/16/13 6:00 p.m.

Re: PID for OS X Ron Hunsinger 4/16/13 7:50 p.m.

Re: PID for OS X Mark Levin 4/16/13 8:46 p.m.

Re: PID for OS X Hopper 4/17/13 6:11 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Mark Levin 4/17/13 7:16 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Hopper 4/17/13 8:14 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Ron Hunsinger 4/18/13 1:01 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Ron Hunsinger 4/18/13 1:09 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Hopper 4/19/13 7:32 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Mark Levin 4/19/13 8:28 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Ron Hunsinger 4/19/13 7:33 p.m.

Re: PID for OS X Ron Hunsinger 4/18/13 3:11 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Hopper 4/17/13 7:01 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Mark Levin 4/17/13 7:12 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Hopper 4/17/13 7:50 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X PerseusSpartacus 4/18/13 8:14 p.m.

Re: PID for OS X ukimalefu 4/19/13 2:41 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X Ron Hunsinger 4/19/13 4:10 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X PerseusSpartacus 4/19/13 6:31 p.m.

Re: PID for OS X Ron Hunsinger 4/19/13 7:55 p.m.

Re: PID for OS X treellama 4/20/13 5:11 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X PerseusSpartacus 4/20/13 9:38 a.m.

Re: PID for OS X bakudd 4/22/13 6:39 a.m.

PID 1.2 released Mark Levin 5/6/13 8:49 p.m.

Re: PID 1.2 released Godot 5/6/13 10:47 p.m.

Re: PID 1.2 released Hopper 5/7/13 10:31 a.m.

Re: PID 1.2 released ukimalefu 5/7/13 1:45 a.m.

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: Ah, that would explain why control characters aren't being swallowed while : you type in the cheat code. The player character keeps twitching around : while you type. (The Bungie implementation made a record of control : characters, so it could detect when they spelled something interesting, : but did not let them pass through to the main game.) : I suspected (and feared) that would be your reasoning. OK, your port, your : judgment call. I would have made the change, because from seeing the : disassembled code it is clear that Bungie intended to scatter the spheres : randomly throughout the level instead of considering only 60 possible : places (about half of them probably being solid rock and therefore : unavailable) to put 20 spheres into, and they themselves would probably : have fixed this on a later version. But I understand. I can live with it. : In the meantime, I've found another bug. When you restore from a saved game, : the displayed date/time doesn't get updated. I noticed this while in the : locked room on I'd Rather Be Surfing. An hour into the ordeal, I found : myself wanting to start over, but according to the clock I didn't get the : hour back. : It turns out it's a cosmetic issue. The internal game clock is correct; it's : only the displayed clock that remains frozen until the game clock : eventually catches up with it again. The workaround is to remove your : watch and put it back on again.

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PID for OS X	Godot	4/9/13 7:02 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	treellama	4/9/13 7:39 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Mark Levin	4/9/13 8:28 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Destiny	4/9/13 8:49 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Hopper	4/9/13 10:03 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Mark Levin	4/9/13 10:28 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	lucas93	4/9/13 3:08 p.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Yossarian	4/9/13 3:59 p.m.
Re: PID for OS X	selbstmord	4/11/13 7:40 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	President People	4/11/13 3:00 p.m.
Re: PID for OS X	ukimalefu	4/11/13 11:38 p.m.
Re: PID for OS X	PerseusSpartacus	4/12/13 12:04 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	PerseusSpartacus	4/9/13 8:25 p.m.
Re: PID for OS X	ukimalefu	4/10/13 12:17 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Godot	4/10/13 12:34 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	ukimalefu	4/10/13 12:36 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Mark Levin	4/10/13 6:08 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Godot	4/10/13 6:29 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Godot	4/10/13 6:32 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Hopper	4/10/13 7:31 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Mark Levin	4/10/13 8:20 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	PerseusSpartacus	4/10/13 9:22 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Hopper	4/10/13 11:07 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	PerseusSpartacus	4/10/13 11:21 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	MrM12LRV	4/10/13 2:29 p.m.
SPOILER ALERT! You need to find this	ukimalefu	4/11/13 2:08 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Ron Hunsinger	4/15/13 7:53 p.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Mark Levin	4/16/13 6:54 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Ron Hunsinger	4/16/13 5:21 p.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Mark Levin	4/16/13 6:00 p.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Ron Hunsinger	4/16/13 7:50 p.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Mark Levin	4/16/13 8:46 p.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Hopper	4/17/13 6:11 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Mark Levin	4/17/13 7:16 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Hopper	4/17/13 8:14 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Ron Hunsinger	4/18/13 1:01 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Ron Hunsinger	4/18/13 1:09 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Hopper	4/19/13 7:32 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Mark Levin	4/19/13 8:28 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Ron Hunsinger	4/19/13 7:33 p.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Ron Hunsinger	4/18/13 3:11 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Hopper	4/17/13 7:01 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Mark Levin	4/17/13 7:12 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Hopper	4/17/13 7:50 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	PerseusSpartacus	4/18/13 8:14 p.m.
Re: PID for OS X	ukimalefu	4/19/13 2:41 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Ron Hunsinger	4/19/13 4:10 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	PerseusSpartacus	4/19/13 6:31 p.m.
Re: PID for OS X	Ron Hunsinger	4/19/13 7:55 p.m.
Re: PID for OS X	treellama	4/20/13 5:11 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	PerseusSpartacus	4/20/13 9:38 a.m.
Re: PID for OS X	bakudd	4/22/13 6:39 a.m.
PID 1.2 released	Mark Levin	5/6/13 8:49 p.m.
Re: PID 1.2 released	Godot	5/6/13 10:47 p.m.
Re: PID 1.2 released	Hopper	5/7/13 10:31 a.m.
Re: PID 1.2 released	ukimalefu	5/7/13 1:45 a.m.



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	Message: : Ah, that would explain why control characters aren't being swallowed while : you type in the cheat code. The player character keeps twitching around : while you type. (The Bungie implementation made a record of control : characters, so it could detect when they spelled something interesting, : but did not let them pass through to the main game.) : I suspected (and feared) that would be your reasoning. OK, your port, your : judgment call. I would have made the change, because from seeing the : disassembled code it is clear that Bungie intended to scatter the spheres : randomly throughout the level instead of considering only 60 possible : places (about half of them probably being solid rock and therefore : unavailable) to put 20 spheres into, and they themselves would probably : have fixed this on a later version. But I understand. I can live with it. : In the meantime, I've found another bug. When you restore from a saved game, : the displayed date/time doesn't get updated. I noticed this while in the : locked room on I'd Rather Be Surfing. An hour into the ordeal, I found : myself wanting to start over, but according to the clock I didn't get the : hour back. : It turns out it's a cosmetic issue. The internal game clock is correct; it's : only the displayed clock that remains frozen until the game clock : eventually catches up with it again. The workaround is to remove your : watch and put it back on again.
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