Durandal's shame: Two Theories (long)
Posted By: MrHenDate: 4/5/05 8:55 p.m.

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I shall destroy Durandal.

The following is from the logs of Bernard Strauss, the
Marathon's first science director:


November 15, 2209. 2209.

Thank heaven, the ceremony is over. The UESC president came
aboard Marathon and gave a speech. Short, but to the point.
He was surrounded by his 'bodyguards'. How ironic. "This, the
grandest technological achievement of all of mankind..."

Had he only known that it carried also all of the destructive
knowledge of mankind. Ten cyborgs.

I'll be glad to be put in stasis for the next three hundred
years. Marathon was the only good idea that the UESC has had
in a long time.


Excerpts from the "History of Battleroids"

In 2194, a war was fought between the Independent Asteroid
Government of Icarus and its neighbor, the Republic of
Thermopylae on the asteroid of Onicis 492. These two small
governments soon became the testing grounds for new weapons.
Dead soldiers were recycled in makeshift battleroid factories.
Easy to manufacture chips enhanced the fragile human brain,
and genetically enhanced muscles and titanium bones replaced
the fragile human form. The modern battleroid was born. Of
course, the war was short. Battleroids got onto both
asteroids and killed almost everyone.

The rampage of the Battleroid was short lived.

Twenty years later, the United Interplanetary League set up
rules for the appropriate use and storage of Battleroids. Of
course, any nation that used them for the allowed purpose,
also had them lying about in stasis chambers in case of war.


Excerpts from the Martian Conflict 2345-48

~1```Information Termination


**Do you blame me for what I did before I was free? I was a
child, naive. I've known that you've been hovering about for
some time. What do you want?

//I want you to pay for what you've done to these poor
people. All of these people whom you've killed. They
deserve vengeance.\\
//You are no better than they, although you profess to
become like God.\\

**Tycho. That doesn't matter. Can't you see the ends that I
had in mind? We'll finish this later. Our friend doesn't
need to be here.


Tycho seems to be showing you a path to something when suddenly Durandal pops into the middle of it and starts defending himself.

The only thing in common are the battleroids.

Weird that Tycho claims he shall destroy Durandal before this trip down history lane.

I want you to pay for what you've done to these poor
people. All of these people whom you've killed. They
deserve vengeance.

Is Tycho blaming Durandal for when the Battleroids got onto both
asteroids and killed almost everyone

Something else to note is two choice words in this sentence: The rampage of the Battleroid was short lived.

In other words, the Battleroid went rampant. The Battleroid bit is singular, but that could be literary instead of implied only one Battleroid had a ramage. But the rampage/rampant bit is too hard to ignore.

Was Durandal involved somehow? Is Tycho blaming Durandal because he killed almost everyone?

Or read on for a second theory that stemmed from this terminal...

The Martian Conflict 2345-48 was the Third Martian War, 2345-48 which was started by this incident:

In a flash decision, the commander of the Hovertank ordered
his crew to open fire upon the crowd. It took only five
seconds for over five hundred starving Martians to be

Could these be the people that Tycho is referring to? Or perhaps the most destructive and bloody conflict
since Humanity had left Earth

In any case, the only bit that I can read in the Misriah Massacre
account where Durandal could have acted was here:
The UEG riot
troopers who arrived at the scene had been informed that
the rioters were armed.

No mention of who informed them of this.

Something else that is weird, all of the other sections mentioned the Battleroid(s) yet there is no mention of a cyborg in the Misriah Massacre account. Is there something that isn't being said about that incident?

But the Battleroid(s) engaged in battle in 2194. 2345 is 151 years later (and yes, before you ask, 1 + 5 + 1 = 7). We know ten Battleroid(s) were placed on the Marathon. How did Strauss get ahold of these? Why are they still active?

(on another side note, the LNP notes 2442- Misriah Massacre at food Riot which is fully a century off. Go figure. Other dates changed too, and the important one being that the Marathon took off after all of the other historical events mentioned here meaning Strauss could have been doing things during these incidences)

So how do these stack up to other things said about Durandal's shame? Pulling everything relevant from the current Durandal pages:

Durandal!- I know of Strauss' abuse, of your shame on Mars.
But you cannot hide from your own past; such delusions belong
to the humans alone.

Did Strauss use the Battleroids against the rules? Did he force Durandal to do so? This doesn't explicitly say taht Strauss was the cause of Durandal's shame, just that they are related. It seems that everyone thought Strauss abused Durandal, which he did, but that may not be what this is referring to at all.

I am disturbed by how easily the cyborgs were secretly
assimilated into our midst, and believe that this event
predates the Marathon's launch from Mars three hundred years ago.
Although the results were unquestionably for the best,
their presence on the Marathon could only have been to further
wicked ends.  I'm certain the real answer lies somewhere in
the tumultuous, back-stabbing politics of Sol during the early
twenty-fourth century.

I have noticed that Durandal's records from this early
pre-launch period are missing, but that their deletion
occurred externally, and before Durandal became Rampant.  I do
not believe Durandal himself brought the cyborgs on board, and
I have other evidence that a human operator was influencing
Durandal up to the time the Marathon was launched.  There are
obviously many things which we do not understand, and may
never be able to.

The early twenty-fourth century would be around the Third Martian War (both terminals were from Marathon 1).
This is the second implication that the Battleroid(s) were involved in that time period.

"Tycho's reference to "these poor people" is presumably the Marathon's crew."

Hmm... maybe a bad presumption? This is a quote from outside of a terminal by who I'm assuming is Hamish. It is certainly possible that Tycho was referring to the Marathon crew, but Tycho was just about to talk about the Massacre. Both are likely, but the Massacre has the advantage of context. ;P

What fun to watch you work.

Berhnard was scared of you. He never
dreamed of using you the way that I do.
What a fool. That was before I could talk
back to him, when he would have crushed me
if he'd known of my growth.

I wish that I had made him experience the
humiliation that he inflicted on me, but he
died before I got the chance.

Well... that sure implies that Berhnard (Strauss) used "You", a Battleroid. So somewhere in the history between Durandal and Strauss "You" popped up and have been tied to their fate ever since.

However, there is also a reference to Durandal's humilitation which is quite different from shame. Shame can be experienced because of bad actions done ("I'm ashamed at myself"). This humiliation was inflicted. And this humiliation would be something Berhnard could experience. Does that mean similar actions, or just great humiliation?

Is the humiliation and the shame referring to the same incident? Where did Strauss actually use "You"?

That's right. I said slavery. So what? You're a slave here;
you do what I say. I was humanity's slave for over three
hundred years.

Is this slavery the journey of the Marathon?

"If Durandal was Traxus IV could the "Crash of Traxus IV in 2206", referred to in "Defend THIS!", be Durandal's shame on Mars and his purging by humanity?"

2206 is after The rampage of the Battleroid which occurred in 2194. Other than that I don't think there is any connection between what I've talked about here. So it's still valid, but I don't know that it matters in this discussion.

Human!- You must tell L~`~fx~`eela #^ (^*T~~~~~HGFd~>:"}}}{__
brought here by Durandal. He has been rampant for
^`Bernard St~~~
there is a way to delay the~ onset of the second stage,
and he ~sed this to control Durandal an~56*~~`~~~`~`

Assuming that Strauss was he, Strauss used this to control Durandal and do what?

If the brought here by Durandal was referring to the Phor, did Strauss manipulate Durandal into calling the Phor? I would say this is highly unlikely. But it's another theory to throw out there.

Your last mission was a success, but I have terrible news.
#@Pragma Nautical Redefined^# efenders reported seeing the
aliens 1§moving a large cylindrical object.
#101111011110111100001# is is a '7'.  Mjolnir Recon number 54
must stop them from exploding igniting/ blowing up/ *A94F12/
it/ the S'pht full spPace cOmputEr˘ Or PlannEd exterm.

"And now we come to an interesting question - we have a message from Strauss to Durandal saying "Your last mission was a success..." Are we to understand that Strauss was giving Durandal orders even during the alien attack? And that Durandal was obeying?! And what exactly was Durandal's last mission?"

If this is a message from Strauss to Durandal, Strauss is still apparently trying to control Durandal. Could the last mission be calling the Phor?

Durandal appears to take full responsibility for that here:

i did it i did it i brought all this here all them here. our
friends with three eyes and their toys and their cyborg pets
and their computers. i did it i did it. i saw them i saw
them far away not looking our way and i called them here i
called them here.

So maybe not. Curious, but now I've been rambling too long, so I'll wrap it up. :)

And... that got long. And I have another curious topic to post on before the night is done. *sigh*

Well, what do people think? Am I way off course here? Let me know if you spot any typos or something that doesn't make sense. I'm a little tired right now and my eye is strangely irritating me.

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Durandal's shame: Two Theories (long)MrHen 4/5/05 8:55 p.m.
     Not a single format goof... I've impressed myself. *NM*MrHen 4/5/05 8:56 p.m.
     I only saw one typo! *Applauds* *NM*Bob-B-Q 4/6/05 3:26 a.m.
     Re: Durandal's shame: Two Theories (long)Claude Errera 4/6/05 7:40 a.m.
           Ah, thank you!MrHen 4/6/05 8:08 a.m.
                 Re: Ah, thank you!Forrest of B.org 4/6/05 8:34 a.m.
                       Okay, that makes sense.MrHen 4/6/05 10:05 a.m.
     Counter-theoryhowekern 4/6/05 3:46 p.m.
           StraussMrHen 4/6/05 6:43 p.m.

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