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Re: Fallacious
Posted By: RC MasterDate: 1/11/13 3:28 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Fallacious (Louis Wu)


I shouldn't post when I'm tired. My tone could use some work. Sorry about that Wu.

: Not a single one of those are loadout weapons. (Well, plasmas might be,
: depending on gametype.)

: And as Bry says, that's the cricitical difference here.

: (I will concede that 'irrelevant' might have been the wrong word to use. It
: comes with connotations I didn't mean at all.)

: And if your enemy spawned with a Rocket Launcher, do you think it would
: account for less than 5% of your deaths?

: I wasn't trying to end the conversation - I was trying to get people to think
: about the Boltshot in less emotional terms. I think people aren't happy
: when they die to it, and so tend to notice those deaths more than they do
: deaths from other weapons... my only real point was that in the grand
: scheme of things, it's not doing a huge amount of damage
.

(Emphasis mine)

My post was specifically about the highlighted ideas. The fact that it's a loadout weapon doesn't really detract from my point.

No-one will argue that control of weapons like the Hammer, Rocket Launcher or Laser aren't important. Bringing up how much people actually die to them misses the point of their affect on the game. Same with the Boltshot.

If you have a guy with Laser on the Hill on Valhalla, that kinda kills vehicle movement for the other side. Similarly, if you know a guy is camping in one of the buildings on Longbow with a Boltshot, that really restricts how you can approach that building.

I'm guessing the idea that "but it's a loadout weapon" is supposed to suggest that since it's always available, then naturally it would be used more. This idea again misses important context. The boltshot, PP and Pistol are all designated 'side-arms.' Obviously not in the same sense that they were in previous games because of high availability off-spawn and a focus on rifles as the main workhorses of the game - of which there are many, and you can even opt to have 2 and forgo the sidearm entirely.

When you compare it to the other weapons of the same class (as others have done) it seems to be the one causing the most deaths. Though of course we can't track how many times you were EMP-combo killed.

rcvgs



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                                                                                               Re: Maybe I asked the wrong question.General Vagueness 1/14/13 7:16 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Maybe I asked the wrong question.NsU Soldier 1/14/13 11:46 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Maybe I asked the wrong question.yakaman 1/15/13 12:17 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Maybe I asked the wrong question.thebruce0 1/15/13 8:58 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Maybe I asked the wrong question.Louis Wu 1/15/13 10:40 a.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Maybe I asked the wrong question.Revenant1988 1/15/13 10:53 a.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Maybe I asked the wrong question.thebruce0 1/15/13 1:41 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Maybe I asked the wrong question.Avateur 1/13/13 8:03 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Maybe I asked the wrong question.thebruce0 1/15/13 9:03 a.m.
                                                                 HBO: Studies show 117% of statistics are made upGeneral Vagueness 1/12/13 7:56 p.m.
                                                                       Re: HBO: Studies show 117% of statistics are made uberfoop 1/12/13 8:03 p.m.
                                                                             Re: HBO: Studies show 117% of statistics are madeZackDark 1/12/13 9:20 p.m.
                                                                                   HBO: Studies show I will not sleepbreitzen 1/13/13 1:06 a.m.
                                                     Re: Maybe I asked the wrong question.mastrbiggy 1/13/13 7:04 a.m.
                                                     This isn't scientific stuff.Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316) 1/13/13 8:46 a.m.
                                                           Re: This isn't scientific stuff.General Vagueness 1/13/13 11:47 a.m.
                                                                 Re: This isn't scientific stuff.Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316) 1/13/13 12:26 p.m.
                                                                       Re: This isn't scientific stuff.Louis Wu 1/13/13 1:01 p.m.
                                                                             Re: This isn't scientific stuff.Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316) 1/13/13 1:26 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: This isn't scientific stuff.Louis Wu 1/13/13 2:26 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: This isn't scientific stuff.Bry 1/13/13 2:34 p.m.
                                                                                         I've been waiting for someone else to say thisRevenant1988 1/13/13 4:20 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: I've been waiting for someone else to say thisAvateur 1/13/13 8:20 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: I've been waiting for someone else to say thisRevenant1988 1/13/13 8:45 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: I've been waiting for someone else to say thisZackDark 1/13/13 9:03 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: I've been waiting for someone else to say thisBry 1/13/13 9:50 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: I've been waiting for someone else to say thisBry 1/13/13 9:13 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: This isn't scientific stuff.NsU Soldier 1/13/13 9:03 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: This isn't scientific stuff.Bry 1/13/13 9:40 p.m.
                                                           Re: This isn't scientific stuff.WhoLikesChicken 1/14/13 7:20 p.m.
                                                                 Re: This isn't scientific stuff.uberfoop 1/14/13 7:43 p.m.
                                                                       Re: This isn't scientific stuff.WhoLikesChicken 1/15/13 12:12 a.m.
                                                                             Re: This isn't scientific stuff.uberfoop 1/15/13 12:26 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: This isn't scientific stuff.WhoLikesChicken 1/15/13 12:39 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: This isn't scientific stuff.uberfoop 1/15/13 12:57 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: This isn't scientific stuff.Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316) 1/15/13 1:26 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: This isn't scientific stuff.thebruce0 1/15/13 9:28 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: This isn't scientific stuff.NsU Soldier 1/15/13 10:51 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: This isn't scientific stuff.uberfoop 1/15/13 11:55 a.m.
                                                                                                           Re: This isn't scientific stuff. *LONG*WhoLikesChicken 1/15/13 1:14 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: This isn't scientific stuff. *LONG*uberfoop 1/15/13 4:56 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: This isn't scientific stuff.thebruce0 1/15/13 1:32 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: This isn't scientific stuff.Gravemind 1/15/13 2:19 p.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: This isn't scientific stuff.thebruce0 1/16/13 9:59 a.m.
                                                                                                                             Re: This isn't scientific stuff.Gravemind 1/17/13 1:24 p.m.
                                                                                                                                   Re: This isn't scientific stuff.thebruce0 1/18/13 9:36 a.m.
                                                                                                                                         Re: This isn't scientific stuff.General Vagueness 1/18/13 1:25 p.m.
                                                                                                                                               Re: This isn't scientific stuff.thebruce0 1/18/13 2:33 p.m.
                                                                                                                                               Re: This isn't scientific stuff.Gravemind 1/18/13 3:18 p.m.
                                                           Re: This isn't scientific stuff.Gravemind 1/15/13 2:22 p.m.
     A real FFA playlist. Yay!snakegriffin 1/10/13 5:21 p.m.
           This. So much this.LostSpartan987 1/12/13 12:35 p.m.
     Pointless drivel *NM*Captain Spark 1/10/13 5:59 p.m.



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