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Re: AI Script
Posted By: RC Master	Date: 8/9/11 9:34 a.m.
In Response To: Re: AI Script (dmiller) : "Finally, what's the deal with all the invisible walls and kill barriers : in Campaign?" : Ah the invisible walls. Well, it all depends on the cases. SOmetimes we put : invisible walls in spaces that we've agreed the player should not see- : mainly because we don't have the budget of time (see above) to completely : build ever square foot of space. Other times it is in response to a bug- : people soft crashing (fall in a spot and can't progress). Sometimes it has : to do with players getting flung via physics or whatever into or through : areas that they shouldn't be or might break the level. Yes, it isn't the : best case- I did my best to at least give players the ability to turn off : htese with my AJ_MODE script in Halo Reach (New Alexandria and The : Package). The people who care about these things will be able to find out : how to remove these obstructions. I think part of it is a price we pay for : crazy-huge exteriors that we can't custom texture every inch of the way : anymore. As for bad design? Not really, but I don't plan on debating it : here or anywhere. It's a natural fall-out of tight production times and : content pipelines. I think he's talking mostly about the times in the game where there are areas that are clearly fully modeled, and look like the player should be able to get to them, and lead to fully modeled areas, but there are hard barriers in place barely a few inches from the intended player path. A good example is the start of Winter Contingency: you run down the hill and come to a settlement. Now, you have to go right here, around near the cliff. There is a gate to the next area here which is surrounded by very easily climbable rocks; it looks like you could just take a short-cut. But you can't, because the top of the gate's wall is covered in invisible barriers. Along the cliff path here, there are also lots of easily climbable rocks, you can't climb over these to the roof of the building either. In fact, if you oblige and go through the building as intended, and start exploring the same rockline from the other side, you can get STUCK between the invisible barrier and the rocks. Same thing with the next set of buildings: invisible barriers ALL over the roofs dispite the abundance of easy ways up there. To me, this doesn't seem like something that should have EVER come down to 'oh crap, we have two days to finish the mission and it breaks completely if someone jumps over this wall.' It's a problem with the fundamental way the area is designed and is something that, I think, should have been picked up on long before that, and fixed in a far more natural way than sticking some invisible barriers in there. After that the level opens up and it's less of an issue (in fact the rest of the pre-falcon area is very cool and I wish we had MORE fighting in that area) but, c'mon, there is nothing to do here and we can't even speed it up a little bit? Nightfall is another bad one: invisible barriers all over rocks that you can clearly just walk up. Annoying.

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AI Script	scarab	8/5/11 4:50 a.m.
Re: AI Script	scarab	8/5/11 5:00 a.m.
Fixed: AI Script	scarab	8/5/11 5:26 a.m.
Re: Fixed: AI Script	Moorpheusl9	8/5/11 6:07 a.m.
Re: Fixed: AI Script	scarab	8/5/11 7:20 a.m.
Should've used Python *NM*	JDQuackers	8/5/11 7:30 a.m.
Re: AI Script	General Vagueness	8/5/11 12:30 p.m.
HaloScript	kornman00	8/5/11 3:17 p.m.
Re: HaloScript	scarab	8/7/11 9:06 a.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/7/11 1:17 a.m.
Re: AI Script	scarab	8/7/11 8:54 a.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/7/11 9:29 a.m.
Re: AI Script	Moorpheusl9	8/7/11 9:33 a.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/7/11 9:35 a.m.
Re: AI Script	scarab	8/7/11 10:12 a.m.
Re: AI Script	ZackDark	8/7/11 2:40 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/7/11 5:02 p.m.
Re: AI Script	Louis Wu	8/7/11 5:15 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/7/11 5:23 p.m.
Re: AI Script	scarab	8/8/11 3:34 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/8/11 9:51 p.m.
Re: AI Script	JonnyOThan	8/11/11 12:42 p.m.
Re: AI Script	scarab	8/11/11 4:32 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/13/11 2:21 p.m.
Re: AI Script	scarab	8/13/11 5:27 p.m.
Re: AI Script	RC Master	8/7/11 7:41 p.m.
Re: AI Script	ZackDark	8/7/11 8:30 p.m.
Re: AI Script	General Vagueness	8/7/11 8:36 p.m.
Re: AI Script	ZackDark	8/7/11 8:42 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/7/11 8:57 p.m.
Re: AI Script	Hyokin	8/7/11 9:21 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/7/11 11:03 p.m.
Re: AI Script	ZackDark	8/7/11 11:19 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/7/11 11:23 p.m.
Re: AI Script	Hyokin	8/7/11 11:20 p.m.
Re: AI Script	ZackDark	8/7/11 11:22 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/7/11 11:26 p.m.
Re: AI Script	ZackDark	8/7/11 11:27 p.m.
Welcome to the forums, Dan!	Hyokin	8/7/11 11:34 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/7/11 11:44 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/7/11 11:45 p.m.
Re: AI Script	RC Master	8/8/11 7:10 a.m.
Re: AI Script	Avateur	8/7/11 11:50 p.m.
Re: AI Script	Hyokin	8/7/11 11:57 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/8/11 1:17 a.m.
Re: AI Script	SonofMacPhisto	8/8/11 6:11 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/8/11 9:54 p.m.
Seriously dude, you're awesome *NM*	ZackDark	8/8/11 10:46 p.m.
Re: AI Script	ZackDark	8/7/11 11:50 p.m.
Re: AI Script	Leviathan	8/8/11 12:11 a.m.
I also share this question *NM*	ZackDark	8/8/11 12:13 a.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/8/11 1:21 a.m.
Re: AI Script	General Vagueness	8/8/11 1:34 p.m.
Re: AI Script	FyreWulff	8/8/11 12:41 a.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/8/11 10:54 a.m.
Re: AI Script	bluerunner	8/8/11 11:04 a.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/8/11 8:54 p.m.
Re: AI Script	FyreWulff	8/9/11 4:56 p.m.
Re: AI Script	Hyokin	8/8/11 11:09 a.m.
Re: AI Script	RC Master	8/8/11 1:40 p.m.
Re: Thanks.	Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316)	8/8/11 2:44 p.m.
Re: Thanks.	General Vagueness	8/8/11 5:25 p.m.
x3 thanks for awesome	SonofMacPhisto	8/8/11 6:06 p.m.
Combat sandbox and mission design	GhaleonEB	8/8/11 1:10 a.m.
Re: Combat sandbox and mission design	dmiller	8/8/11 1:26 a.m.
Re: Combat sandbox and mission design	dmiller	8/8/11 1:29 a.m.
Re: AI Script	Lord Friendship	8/8/11 12:33 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/8/11 8:55 p.m.
Re: AI Script	Gravemind	8/8/11 3:29 p.m.
Re: AI Script	scarab	8/8/11 3:49 p.m.
Re: AI Script	Lurono	8/8/11 6:52 p.m.
Re: AI Script	SonofMacPhisto	8/8/11 7:00 p.m.
Yes to both *NM*	Lurono	8/8/11 7:15 p.m.
Ok, I'm not nuts. Well, I am... but... n/m :) *NM*	SonofMacPhisto	8/8/11 7:22 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/8/11 9:42 p.m.
Re: AI Script	RC Master	8/9/11 9:34 a.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/9/11 9:47 p.m.
Re: AI Script	JonnyOThan	8/10/11 3:27 p.m.
Re: AI Script	RC Master	8/10/11 7:21 p.m.
Re: AI Script	ZackDark	8/10/11 10:37 p.m.
Re: AI Script	Hyokin	8/10/11 11:36 p.m.
Re: AI Script	ZackDark	8/10/11 11:59 p.m.
Re: AI Script	RC Master	8/11/11 8:30 p.m.
343i, hire him too! *NM*	Hyokin	8/11/11 10:02 p.m.
Re: 343i, hire him too!	RC Master	8/13/11 10:34 a.m.
Re: AI Script	ZackDark	8/11/11 11:02 p.m.
Re: AI Script	RC Master	8/12/11 7:28 a.m.
Re: AI Script	ZackDark	8/12/11 6:26 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/13/11 2:39 p.m.
Re: AI Script	FyreWulff	8/9/11 5:23 p.m.
Re: AI Script	Lurono	8/9/11 8:07 p.m.
The worst kind *NM*	scarab	8/10/11 1:03 a.m.
And a serious answer...	Lurono	8/9/11 8:13 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/9/11 9:39 p.m.
Re: AI Script	ZackDark	8/9/11 10:37 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/9/11 10:41 p.m.
Re: AI Script	ZackDark	8/9/11 10:45 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/9/11 10:47 p.m.
Re: AI Script	ZackDark	8/9/11 10:52 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/9/11 11:13 p.m.
Re: AI Script	scarab	8/10/11 1:28 a.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/10/11 9:18 a.m.
Re: AI Script	scarab	8/11/11 4:49 a.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/11/11 9:49 a.m.
Re: AI Script	Dagoonite	8/11/11 10:31 a.m.
Re: AI Script	RC Master	8/11/11 11:41 a.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/12/11 1:20 a.m.
Re: AI Script	RC Master	8/12/11 7:05 p.m.
Re: AI Script (ooh! Question!)	RC Master	8/13/11 5:52 a.m.
Re: AI Script (ooh! Question!)	dmiller	8/13/11 2:28 p.m.
Re: AI Script (ooh! Question!)	dmiller	8/13/11 2:34 p.m.
Re: AI Script (ooh! Question!)	RC Master	8/13/11 8:37 p.m.
Re: AI Script	General Vagueness	8/9/11 11:38 p.m.
Re: AI Script	mrbig	8/10/11 12:50 a.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/10/11 9:11 a.m.
Aww crap	RC Master	8/8/11 7:22 a.m.