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Re: Really?
Posted By: General Vagueness <General.Vagueness@gmail.com>	Date: 8/28/10 3:12 p.m.
In Response To: Re: Really? (uberfoop) : I found the flood fairly fun to fight in Halo 1. While they didn't have : intelligence as individuals, they certainly feel intelligent as a group, : doing things like ambushing you from interesting angles and vulnerable : moments, and, particularily in The Library, rewarding aggression and : punishing overly-patient gameplay. : They also have interesting combat character with due to their different : forms; for example, infection forms served as a very interesting form of : shield suppressant in firefights. : I still tend to prefer fighting covenant, but I like the flood for the nice : change of pace here and there. : This having been said, they were awful to fight in Halos 2 and 3. : In Halo 2, infection forms played a more conventional combat role despite : their ability to revive dead flood. Combat forms became headshot-only : targets, which feels incredibly contrived. They also felt a little : tacked-on during much of the story. : Halo 3 was worse. They had that silly zombie limp that works great in : self-parodying zombie films but not so much when you're trying to present : the zombies as an intimidating force that destroys everything. They were : incredibly easy to fight, being smashed into goo by single melees, except : for those stupid ranged pure forms which gave combat a lethargic feel. : Graphically, they looked terrible and incohesive, with randomly generated : pulsating blobs that looked like they had been created in a totally : different graphics engine. Worst of all, they showed people being : infected. Which was bad not just because it went against the whole : "suggestion of what you don't see is waaay freakier than showing this : stuff to you" that Halo 1 ran on, but also because the infection : animations look worse than bad 1980's CGI. Oh yeah, they also were totally : stylistically different than the flood of prior titles. I'm still not : convinced that they're the same enemy. : I suppose my take on it is that I liked the flood in Halo 1, but I hope : they're not in Reach mainly because the quality of Bungie's depictions of : the flood has dropped off horrifically with every title; first good, then : mediocre, then absolutely awful. : Err...wow. I guess I had a big rant pent-up inside me. : [/rant] What you said about the Flood in Halo 3 doesn't strike me as bad design but bad balancing: the melee was overpowered, the ranged forms were a bit too powerful, and the limping move, though a little less pronounced, was in Halo 2, it's just a matter of when it happens, a matter of when combat forms see or hear you, and when they rush you-- even in the first game they've been known to slowly approach until they're quite close and only then act aggressive. I don't know what your problem is with the infection animations, I think they look great (in that they look like bad news). As for the overall visuals, they were the most disgusting version of the Flood yet, and the ones most visually similar to the hosts (aside from a few things), which is a good thing given what they are. I don't like the visual progression of the infection forms but how they act and more importantly what they can do completely makes up for it.

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Message Index

What will you miss from Halo 3 in Reach?	TheSneak	8/26/10 3:06 p.m.
People not using Armor Lock.	Dustbunny27	8/26/10 3:09 p.m.
Re: People not using Armor Lock.	General Vagueness	8/26/10 3:19 p.m.
loved armor lock in the beta	TheSneak	8/26/10 3:21 p.m.
Re: People not using Armor Lock.	Hunt3r	8/26/10 3:25 p.m.
Re: People not using Armor Lock.	jl	8/26/10 3:40 p.m.
You guys used it wrong	TheSneak	8/26/10 3:45 p.m.
For real	kidtsunami	8/27/10 1:45 a.m.
Ahh, teamwork.	SquirrelOnfire	8/27/10 5:24 p.m.
Re: What will you miss from Halo 3 in Reach?	SPARTAN-034	8/26/10 3:12 p.m.
the carbine :(	Hunt3r	8/26/10 3:30 p.m.
Re: the carbine :(	bluerunner	8/26/10 3:33 p.m.
*RIP* Carbine. *NM*	TheSneak	8/26/10 3:45 p.m.
Absolutely Nothing! *NM*	The BS Police	8/26/10 3:48 p.m.
Hear hear! *NM*	pete_the_duck	8/26/10 4:02 p.m.
1.Chopper & 2.Brute Shot *NM*	INSANEdrive	8/26/10 4:00 p.m.
This. :( *NM*	Metalingus627	8/26/10 4:58 p.m.
Re: 1.Chopper & 2.Brute Shot	DrDoctor	8/27/10 8:34 a.m.
Halo 3 Beta Trip Mine	bluerunner	8/26/10 4:07 p.m.
Re: Halo 3 Beta Trip Mine	Dream053	8/26/10 4:11 p.m.
Re: Halo 3 Beta Trip Mine	MELEE	8/26/10 4:13 p.m.
Re: Halo 3 Beta Trip Mine	RC Master	8/26/10 7:37 p.m.
Re: Halo 3 Beta Trip Mine	KP	8/26/10 4:16 p.m.
Uhhhhhhh...	Gravemind	8/26/10 4:20 p.m.
Oh, and fire-based weapons.	Gravemind	8/26/10 5:35 p.m.
And playing as an Elite all the time. *NM*	Gravemind	8/27/10 12:00 a.m.
Team SWAT Playlist *NM*	serpx	8/26/10 4:22 p.m.
Nothing really.	NsU Soldier	8/26/10 4:30 p.m.
Re: What will you miss from Halo 3 in Reach?	ArteenEsben	8/26/10 5:25 p.m.
I'll miss the lack of sword blocking *NM*	Avateur	8/26/10 6:23 p.m.
/\ This x 1000000 *NM*	The Loot	8/26/10 6:47 p.m.
^I thought sword blocking was in the beta... *NM*	Lobster	8/26/10 11:26 p.m.
Exactly	Avateur	8/26/10 11:43 p.m.
He said he'd miss the LACK of sword blocking. *NM*	jlm699	8/27/10 9:37 a.m.
Re: What will you miss from Halo 3 in Reach?	KalamariKidd	8/26/10 6:57 p.m.
Being an indestrucable walking tank	padraig08	8/26/10 7:02 p.m.
Not fighting elites...	c0ld vengeance	8/26/10 8:07 p.m.
Flood :(	Lobster	8/26/10 8:58 p.m.
Really?	SquirrelOnfire	8/27/10 5:26 p.m.
Re: Really?	uberfoop	8/27/10 5:49 p.m.
Re: Really?	General Vagueness	8/28/10 3:12 p.m.
Re: My 5th laser shot :( I'll miss you forever. *NM*	Minime637	8/26/10 10:22 p.m.
Re: What will you miss from Halo 3 in Reach?	BK Burger Boy	8/26/10 11:13 p.m.
Re: What will you miss from Halo 3 in Reach?	DrDoctor	8/26/10 11:43 p.m.
Re: What will you miss from Halo 3 in Reach?	Dax01	8/27/10 6:03 a.m.
Re: What will you miss from Halo 3 in Reach?	DEEP NNN	8/27/10 6:26 a.m.
Carbine, Vahalla, Sandtrap, Brute Shot	mattroe	8/27/10 8:17 a.m.
Re: What will you miss from Halo 3 in Reach?	chess	8/27/10 8:50 a.m.
Not much	PooBone	8/27/10 9:42 a.m.
Maulers.	BIG STEVE808	8/27/10 1:26 p.m.
Re: Maulers.	General Vagueness	8/28/10 11:29 a.m.
Re: What will you miss from Halo 3 in Reach?	Hedgemony	8/28/10 12:00 a.m.
Re: What will you miss from Halo 3 in Reach?	ZaneZavin	8/28/10 12:28 a.m.