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Re: Hmm.... interetsing points, but my rebuttal:
Posted By: Lophan <lophan@bungie.org>Date: 11/13/01 10:23 p.m.

In Response To: Re: listen & learn... (Geoffrey Miller)

: Nope! I manage my parents portfolio and I can say with 100% knowledge that
: they are 100% Microsoft free.

I'm sure the returns are stellar. BTW, I'd like to see the breakdown of those portfolios so I could dissect some of the companies you do invest in as "rapers the environment" and other such offenders of the Utopian business society you seem to believe in... unless of course if you buy muni-bonds (which in that case, I salute you!)

: I'm sorry that you can't see that implant that's sticking out of the side of
: your head. I wouldn't expect it to allow you to say anything BUT good
: things about Microsoft.

Actually, I rather like Microsoft products. I have a dual boot PC with Win98 and Linux Mandrake and I can tell you that Windows is a HELL of a lot easier to use. Now, is that because M$ has put down Linux and competing operating systems? I don't know... but if Linux were so great and easy to use, I'd use it (and so would the millions of others around the world, but they don't because Linux is in its infancy and Macs are propietary to, well, Macs). Oh, and I own a G4 as well so you can take that "implant that's sticking out of the side of your head" remark and stick it in your own orfice of choice.

: I suppose industrial companies that rape the
: environment are "just trying to make money for their
: stockholders" too.

Are you seriously likening the business practices of M$ to destroyers of the environment? That's just too ludicrous to comment on...

: The difference is not in taking tons of money,
: it's in leaving something behind that makes the world a better place for
: it having been there. Microsoft hardly comes under that heading.

Well, they make the great majority of operating systems and business app software in the world. Those tools are used to make a lot of really great things in this world that YOU benefit from either directly or indirectly so I don't see how your argument holds water.

Oh, and let's not count the countless MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of dollars donated to various charities by Microsoft, Bill Gates and other prominent figures within the company's history (Paul Allen, etc...). Some people (I'm talking about you here) seem to think they just suck all the money in and hoarde it for nefarious purposes and evil intent. This, my friend, is flawed thinking.

: Other
: than people who work for Microsoft, no one loves the company. People like
: some of their products...when they work, aren't being porked by the latest
: virii hole or having their personal data ripped off. That's not very much
: of the time. True, they own 90% of the computer market. But why should
: they be rewarded for mediocrity, sloppiness, greed and hubris?

Has this happened to you? Was your personal information stolen as a result to M$ products and did that theft cause you bodily/economic/emotional harm? If so, I'm sorry for you... but notice that whenever M$ releases a new product, ARMIES of anti-M$ wingnuts devote their lives to finding holes in the security software. Funny how no one does the same for Linux or in a smaller sense Macs... and WHY is that?.. because (let's face it) the majority of systems out there are M$ based and doing the same thing against Linux/Mac would be pointless. Now, if these same zealots attacked the security systems of Linux and Macs, I'm sure you'd find BIG GAPING EXPLOITABLE HOLES in them too.

: Pardon me if I think that M$ is the dark pit of hell. It's an opinion that's
: been built up over time, not by supposition, but by observance of action.
: I don't read slashdot. I do, however, want to thank you for bringing up
: Apple, and yes, I do Think Different, hence my refusal to accept
: mediocrity.

Could you describe briefly exactly what "observance of action" has brought you to such a unilateral conclusion? This I'd like to hear because if it's convincing enough, I might reconsider my stance and change my thinking on the matter. However, without proof of the allegations, I'm afriad I'll have to take your comments with a healthy dose of sodium chloride.

And, if you don't accept mediocrity, then why do you come here? We're all obviously flawed in one way or another because we are fans and supporters of Bungie and Bungie games. And since Bungie is now (by extension) affiliated with Microsoft, then Bungie must then be evil too and not worthy of your time.

[too bad no one will ever read this since it's buried so far down in the threads]

-Loph
lophan@bungie.org

http://myth.bungie.org


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Replies:

New Thread, Same Old StoryMatt 11/7/01 3:15 p.m.
     Werd! *NM*Theocracity 11/7/01 3:19 p.m.
     good ol' mattslumbermonkey 11/7/01 3:23 p.m.
     Re: Copy and Paste in other gaming forums everyone *NM*kayas 11/7/01 3:23 p.m.
           Re: hehehe...im quicker than Mr. Wu *NM*kayas 11/7/01 3:40 p.m.
     Re: New Thread, Same Old Story*Ar-Isildur of *WP* 11/7/01 3:23 p.m.
           Re: New Thread, Same Old StoryLouis Wu 11/7/01 3:39 p.m.
     Good man :)vector40 11/7/01 8:27 p.m.
     Re: New Thread, Same Old Storytst6597216 11/7/01 11:16 p.m.
           why should they?AlexK 11/8/01 7:36 a.m.
                 well saidslumbermonkey 11/8/01 7:40 a.m.
                       Rent the console then!Miguel Chavez 11/8/01 8:59 a.m.
                             Re: Rent the console then!Waldi 11/8/01 10:01 a.m.
                                   uh, what are you talking about?Miguel Chavez 11/8/01 10:06 a.m.
                                         Re: uh, what are you talking about?Burning 11/9/01 12:28 a.m.
                             yeah..slumbermonkey 11/8/01 11:27 a.m.
                 Re: why should they?Geoffrey Miller 11/8/01 4:57 p.m.
                       Re: why should they?Lophan 11/9/01 7:39 a.m.
                             Re: why should they?Geoffrey Miller 11/9/01 7:17 p.m.
                                   Re: why should they?Burning 11/11/01 3:36 a.m.
                                         Re: why should they?Lophan 11/11/01 9:37 a.m.
                                               Re: why should they?Burning 11/12/01 9:53 a.m.
                                                     Re: listen & learn...Lophan 11/12/01 11:22 a.m.
                                                           Re: listen & learn...vector40 11/12/01 5:55 p.m.
                                                           Re: listen & learn...Geoffrey Miller 11/13/01 3:28 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Hmm.... interetsing points, but my rebuttal:Lophan 11/13/01 10:23 p.m.
           Re: New Thread, Same Old Storydiseaser 11/8/01 10:22 a.m.
     Why software reps shouldnt try to use parables...Lilricky 11/7/01 11:23 p.m.
           Re: Why software reps shouldnt try to use parablesbeef 11/7/01 11:29 p.m.
           Re: Why software reps shouldnt try to use parablesstrykerwolf 11/8/01 1:04 a.m.
           dumbass *NM*slumbermonkey 11/8/01 7:06 a.m.
           Re: Why software reps shouldnt try to use parablesMike 11/8/01 8:15 a.m.
                 Re: Why software reps shouldnt try to use parablesSam 11/8/01 8:40 a.m.
           Re: Why stupid people shouldn't have computersLophan 11/8/01 9:20 a.m.
                 good one *NM*slumbermonkey 11/8/01 2:03 p.m.
     Re: New Thread, Same Old StoryEl Bastard 11/8/01 8:46 a.m.
     Re: New Thread, Same Old StoryRobert Silcox 11/8/01 11:06 a.m.
     The Highway to Bellevuerosignol 11/8/01 12:42 p.m.
           Re: The Highway to BellevueLouis Wu 11/8/01 3:53 p.m.
     Re: New Thread, Same Old StoryT15net 11/8/01 2:01 p.m.
           Re: New Thread, Same Old StoryLophan 11/9/01 7:34 a.m.
     Re: New Thread, Same Old StoryGeoffrey Miller 11/8/01 2:31 p.m.
           Re: New Thread, Same Old StoryGeoffrey Miller 11/8/01 2:46 p.m.
           Mebbe Louis should put the box back....rosignol 11/8/01 7:25 p.m.
     Re: New Thread, Same Old StoryPatrick (Germany) 11/9/01 12:39 a.m.
     Hmm...dunno what to think bout it!$oldat 11/9/01 7:04 a.m.
     Re: New Thread, Same Old Storyefeffe 11/10/01 7:27 a.m.
     Halo is dead - do not bother making a PC versionRune 11/11/01 8:30 a.m.
           OK, bye *NM*Harry 11/11/01 9:04 a.m.
           Re: Halo is dead - do not bother making a PC versiLophan 11/11/01 9:35 a.m.
           because you've backed yourself up so well..slumbermonkey 11/11/01 10:00 a.m.
           You are the weakest link, G'BYE!beef 11/11/01 10:49 a.m.
           Not ANOTHER idiotSpeaker-To-Animals 11/11/01 11:50 a.m.
                 roflHarry 11/11/01 11:57 a.m.
     Re: See it on Xbox, then decide to carepunditty 11/11/01 8:33 p.m.
           Re: C'ya! Please forget to write! *NM*Lophan 11/11/01 10:05 p.m.
                 Re: C'ya! Please forget to write!Harry 11/11/01 10:07 p.m.
                       Re: C'ya! Please forget to write!vector40 11/12/01 12:01 a.m.
                             Someone please explain...beef 11/12/01 1:41 a.m.
                                   Re: Someone please explain...Harry 11/12/01 6:08 a.m.
           Re: See it on Xbox, then decide to careMorphius 11/12/01 10:03 a.m.



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