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Means vs. Will
Posted By: SonofMacPhisto <sethjewett@gmail.com>Date: 5/18/08 12:56 a.m.

In Response To: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war. (Honestly)


: This has probably been brought up before but here I go.

: My question is this: Why did the Forerunners continue to insist on employing
: squishy, sentient flood-bait as soldiers to combat the parasite menace
: when they have proved quite capable of employing trillions of
: infection-immune, flood-destroying Sentinals?

This is an absolutely huge thread, and I apologize if this has been discussed.
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My quote below is from the Halo 3 terminals, lifted off of Ascendant Justice's blog.

It seems to suggest inaction killed the Forerunners. For whatever reason, it was a lack of will, of action, against the Flood.

Compare this to the Master Chief's reaction to the discovery of a new Installation 04.

343 Guilt Spark: 'What will you do?'

Master Chief: 'Light it.'

No hesitation, no second thoughts. Of course, he has the ability. Most importantly, he has the will.

Perhaps this is what the Forerunner found so 'special' about humanity?

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From Ascendant Justice:

In the end, however, we do know that Didact learned from his and his race’s inaction. He paid a heavy cost for this knowledge and that cost compelled him to warn all future worlds of not only the parasite, but about the peril of hesitation – about recognizing absolute evil and not staying your hand when it threatens the innocent. The petition is to live in the future, not the past.

This, I believe, is the heart of their personal story and on a far greater level, the story of the Forerunner race. It is their message to humanity - their epitaph:

'This is my final entry, and I am left with one hope. That one day, someone, anyone is around to witness this warning.

If you are that witness, and it seems we pinned all our hopes on this single suicidal plan - know that a thousand other plans were tried and failed.

Millions of brave and honored souls died trying to avert this terrible, desperate situation.

Know that energetic and tenacious as life is, it has an antithesis just as powerful.

It is that thing which we must obliterate.'

http://blog.ascendantjustice.com/halo-3/the-terminals/shediedineden4/


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The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 6:25 p.m.
     Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.reprobate 5/3/08 6:33 p.m.
           Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 6:37 p.m.
                 Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.SgtSatin 5/3/08 6:42 p.m.
                 Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Jordan117 5/3/08 6:56 p.m.
                       Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 7:06 p.m.
                             Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Peptuck 5/3/08 9:11 p.m.
                                   Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 9:18 p.m.
                                         Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Peptuck 5/3/08 9:31 p.m.
                                               Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 9:39 p.m.
                                                     Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Peptuck 5/3/08 9:46 p.m.
                                                           Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 10:00 p.m.
                                                                 Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Peptuck 5/3/08 10:07 p.m.
                                                                       Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 10:15 p.m.
                                                                             Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Peptuck 5/3/08 10:23 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 10:25 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.elpolloguapo 5/3/08 10:30 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 10:32 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.elpolloguapo 5/3/08 10:35 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Peptuck 5/3/08 10:44 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 10:52 p.m.
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                                                                                                           Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 11:02 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Peptuck 5/3/08 11:12 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Leviathan 5/3/08 11:21 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 11:25 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.elpolloguapo 5/3/08 11:29 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 11:34 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Leviathan 5/3/08 11:38 p.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 11:41 p.m.
                                                                                                                             Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Leviathan 5/3/08 11:50 p.m.
                                                                                                                                   Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 11:56 p.m.
                 Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.SPARTAN-034 5/3/08 7:13 p.m.
                       Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 7:17 p.m.
                             Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Miguel Chavez 5/3/08 7:55 p.m.
                                   Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 7:59 p.m.
                                         Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.GatchamanUK 5/3/08 8:08 p.m.
                                               Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 8:12 p.m.
                                                     Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.GatchamanUK 5/3/08 8:18 p.m.
                                                           Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 8:23 p.m.
                                                                 Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Peptuck 5/3/08 9:14 p.m.
                                                                       Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 9:22 p.m.
                                                                             Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Peptuck 5/3/08 9:32 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 9:41 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Peptuck 5/3/08 9:47 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 10:03 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.elpolloguapo 5/3/08 10:10 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 10:18 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.elpolloguapo 5/3/08 10:20 p.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 10:23 p.m.
                                                                                                                             Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.elpolloguapo 5/3/08 10:27 p.m.
                                                                                                                                   Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 10:30 p.m.
                                                                                                                                         You can't prove a universal negative...elpolloguapo 5/3/08 10:31 p.m.
                                                                                                                                               Re: You can't prove a universal negative...Honestly 5/3/08 10:34 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.SPARTAN-034 5/3/08 10:37 p.m.
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                                                                                                                             Another thing to consider...elpolloguapo 5/3/08 10:39 p.m.
                                                                                                                                   Re: Another thing to consider...Honestly 5/3/08 10:40 p.m.
                                                                                                                                         Re: Another thing to consider...elpolloguapo 5/3/08 10:41 p.m.
                                                                                                                                               Re: Another thing to consider...Honestly 5/3/08 10:53 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Leviathan 5/3/08 11:34 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Peptuck 5/3/08 10:12 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 10:20 p.m.
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                                                                                                                             Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Peptuck 5/3/08 10:50 p.m.
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                                                                                                                                         Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.elpolloguapo 5/3/08 11:00 p.m.
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                                                                                                                                                                 Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Leviathan 5/3/08 11:30 p.m.
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                                                                                                                                                                                         Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 11:45 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                                                   Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 11:44 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                                                         Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.SPARTAN-034 5/3/08 11:47 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                                                               Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 11:58 p.m.
                                                                             Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.bedlam 5/4/08 3:24 a.m.
                                         Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.bedlam 5/4/08 2:42 a.m.
                             Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.SPARTAN-034 5/3/08 8:11 p.m.
                                   Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 8:18 p.m.
                                         Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.SPARTAN-034 5/3/08 8:37 p.m.
                                               Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 8:40 p.m.
                                                     Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.SPARTAN-034 5/3/08 9:56 p.m.
                                                           Technically speaking...elpolloguapo 5/3/08 10:00 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Technically speaking...SPARTAN-034 5/3/08 10:04 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Technically speaking...elpolloguapo 5/3/08 10:06 p.m.
                                                           Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 10:05 p.m.
                                                                 Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.elpolloguapo 5/3/08 10:08 p.m.
                                                                 Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.SPARTAN-034 5/3/08 10:08 p.m.
                             Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Peptuck 5/3/08 9:12 p.m.
                                   Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 9:21 p.m.
                                         Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Peptuck 5/3/08 9:35 p.m.
                                               Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 9:44 p.m.
                                                     Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Peptuck 5/3/08 9:53 p.m.
                                                           Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 10:09 p.m.
                                                                 Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Peptuck 5/3/08 10:17 p.m.
                                                                       Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 10:28 p.m.
                                                                             Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Peptuck 5/3/08 10:54 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 11:01 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Peptuck 5/3/08 11:22 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 11:30 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Cthulhu117 5/4/08 12:03 p.m.
                 Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.bedlam 5/4/08 1:41 a.m.
     Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.scarab 5/3/08 7:03 p.m.
           Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 7:11 p.m.
                 Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.GatchamanUK 5/3/08 7:47 p.m.
                       Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 8:06 p.m.
                             Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.GatchamanUK 5/3/08 8:12 p.m.
                                   Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 8:21 p.m.
                       Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.SgtSatin 5/3/08 8:59 p.m.
     Oh wait, I've found the simple answer...GatchamanUK 5/3/08 8:21 p.m.
           Re: Oh wait, I've found the simple answer...Honestly 5/3/08 8:21 p.m.
                 Re: Oh wait, I've found the simple answer...elpolloguapo 5/3/08 10:16 p.m.
                       Re: Oh wait, I've found the simple answer...Honestly 5/3/08 10:39 p.m.
                             Re: Oh wait, I've found the simple answer...elpolloguapo 5/3/08 10:41 p.m.
                                   Re: Oh wait, I've found the simple answer...Honestly 5/3/08 10:49 p.m.
                                         Ah but you see...elpolloguapo 5/3/08 10:53 p.m.
                                               Re: Ah but you see...Honestly 5/3/08 11:08 p.m.
                                                     Re: Ah but you see...elpolloguapo 5/3/08 11:12 p.m.
                                                           Re: Ah but you see...Honestly 5/3/08 11:14 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Ah but you see...elpolloguapo 5/3/08 11:15 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Ah but you see...Honestly 5/3/08 11:22 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Ah but you see...elpolloguapo 5/3/08 11:24 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Ah but you see...Honestly 5/3/08 11:47 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Ah but you see...Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 5/3/08 11:26 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Ah but you see...Honestly 5/3/08 11:50 p.m.
                                                     Re: Ah but you see...Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 5/3/08 11:14 p.m.
                                                           Re: Ah but you see...Honestly 5/4/08 12:01 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Ah but you see...Miguel Chavez 5/4/08 12:06 a.m.
                       Re: Oh wait, I've found the simple answer...GatchamanUK 5/4/08 6:32 a.m.
     Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 5/3/08 8:39 p.m.
           Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 8:44 p.m.
                 Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Cthulhu117 5/4/08 12:07 p.m.
     Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Peptuck 5/3/08 9:07 p.m.
           Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 9:13 p.m.
                 Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Peptuck 5/3/08 9:24 p.m.
                       Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 9:31 p.m.
                             Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Peptuck 5/3/08 9:39 p.m.
                                   Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 9:55 p.m.
                                         Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Peptuck 5/3/08 10:00 p.m.
                                               Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Peptuck 5/3/08 10:02 p.m.
                                               Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 10:46 p.m.
                                                     Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 5/3/08 10:53 p.m.
                                                           Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/3/08 11:12 p.m.
                                                                 Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 5/3/08 11:23 p.m.
                                                                       Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Honestly 5/4/08 12:09 a.m.
                                                     Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Peptuck 5/3/08 11:11 p.m.
                 Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 5/3/08 10:11 p.m.
     Also, the flood could have handily won...elpolloguapo 5/3/08 10:05 p.m.
           Re: Also, the flood could have handily won...Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 5/3/08 10:14 p.m.
           Re: Also, the flood could have handily won...Honestly 5/3/08 11:52 p.m.
                 I think this thread is supposed to be dead, but...SPARTAN-034 5/4/08 11:16 a.m.
     Hey look at that...stan 5/3/08 10:38 p.m.
     Re: The Forerunners shouldn't have lost the war.bedlam 5/4/08 1:33 a.m.
     Means vs. WillSonofMacPhisto 5/18/08 12:56 a.m.
           *nm* Is Forerunner ability the WRONG question? *NM*SonofMacPhisto 5/18/08 12:58 a.m.
           Re: Means vs. WillJillybean 5/18/08 6:57 a.m.
                 Re: Means vs. WillSonofMacPhisto 5/19/08 5:54 p.m.
                 Re: Means vs. WillSonofMacPhisto 5/19/08 6:51 p.m.
                       Re: Means vs. WillRed X 117 5/21/08 10:01 p.m.
                             Re: Means vs. Willelpolloguapo 5/21/08 10:03 p.m.
                                   Re: Means vs. WillRed X 117 5/21/08 10:53 p.m.
                                         Re: Means vs. WillFree Weights 5/21/08 11:24 p.m.
                                               Chief's Dead in 'Heaven?' Well... sorta!SonofMacPhisto 5/21/08 11:42 p.m.
                                                     Master Chief: The Last CrusadeFree Weights 5/22/08 6:50 p.m.
                                                           Re: Master Chief: The Last CrusadeSonofMacPhisto 5/22/08 7:06 p.m.
                                         Re: Means vs. Willelpolloguapo 5/22/08 6:13 a.m.



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