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| A Mod Developer's Take on the Situation | |
| Posted By: RedMoney999 <ridgerebel999@hotmail.com> | Date: 10/4/06 8:08 p.m. |
In Response To: Re: Halogen Beta? (Hawaiian Pig) I'm just confused because it seems that people who are taking Microsoft's side in this arguement are claiming that Halogen fans are upset that Halogen was shut down because "it was a unique realization of the Halo universe". I don't know where that arguement comes from as I don't know of any Halogen fans that are dismissing the fact that Halo as an RTS wasn't a new or unique idea. In my opinion, Halogen was unique in the fact that it was, at the time, the only RTS realization of Halo. The idea was not unique, but the implementation was. In my opinion, as a developer of the Star Wars mod "First Strike" for Battlefield: 2142 (made by EA/DICE), I would be highly disappointed if after over a year of hard work making everything painstakingly detailed and accurrate LucasArts were to shut us down just because we were creating a mod that is in direct competition with one of their games (which it is, for example Battlefront I and II). As a fan of the Star Wars movies, I am working on the mod for the love of realizing a game that, while not unique, may be better than anything made by official game devs due to our unique love of the content that we are producing. I'm sure that it is easy for the Ensemble developers to claim that "they love the Halo universe" and that they enjoy playing Halo, but do you think that they loved Halo enough to painstakingly (yes there's that word again, making a mod like Halogen is very hard work) create an entire game FOR NO BENIFIT TO THEMSELVES OTHER THAN THE ENJOYMENT OF PLAYING IT. In other words, do you think that the guys from Ensemble would go through the time and effort of making something like Halogen without the benifit of $70,000+ a year? I hardly think so. My point in all of this is that, while I understand the business practice of what Microsoft was doing in shutting down Halogen, I don't like it. Why can't Microsoft just allow Halogen to continue, and just make sure that Ensemble entice the public to buy Halo Wars simply because it is a better game than Halogen? While Microsoft has every right within the law to shut down Halogen, what about business ethics? As for Narcogen's argument that EA would be making money off of Halogen, I find that highly unlikely and I would like to see evidence of people buying C&C Generals for the sole intention of playing Halogen. I think that most people that would be playing Halogen would be people that had bought C&C Generals long before Halogen was even announced (C&C isn't exactly a new game, and most of the people playing it today bought a while ago). The only reason Microsoft shut down Halogen was because they were afraid that Halogen would have been better than Halo Wars (Halogen even has a better name, "Halo WARS"? What is that?) and would have caused them to lose a couple hundred potential buyers. Props to Bungie for supporting Halogen when Microsoft was keeping its nose out, but Bungie should have kept its tight control over the Halo IP instead of allowing other studios to play with it. I can understand the movie (Bungie is a game studio, not a movie studio), but I think that Bungie is more than capable of turning Halo into an RTS, and I firmly believe that Bungie would have done a much better job with it than Ensemble ever could dream of. ******************** A Bit of a Disclaimer ********************* I do not fault Bungie for the actions of Microsoft in this case. I believe that Bungie supports its fan community fully, even if that means losing a couple bucks. I'm sure that if it were up to Bungie, then Halogen would be playing on hundreds of computers everywhere.
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| Halogen Beta? | Sharkface217 | 10/3/06 2:37 p.m. |
| Re: Halogen Beta? | KP | 10/3/06 2:52 p.m. |
| Re: Halogen Beta? | WortWortWort | 10/3/06 7:39 p.m. |
| Re: Halogen Beta? | WortWortWort | 10/3/06 7:42 p.m. |
| Re: Halogen Beta? | WortWortWort | 10/3/06 7:53 p.m. |
| Re: Halogen Beta? | N/A | 10/3/06 8:01 p.m. |
| Re: Halogen Beta? | DarkSim | 10/3/06 8:17 p.m. |
| Re: Halogen Beta? | WortWortWort | 10/3/06 9:18 p.m. |
| Re: Halogen Beta? | Narcogen | 10/4/06 12:16 a.m. |
| Re: Halogen Beta? | Miguel Chavez | 10/4/06 9:01 a.m. |
| Re: Halogen Beta? | UrsusArctos | 10/4/06 9:20 a.m. |
| Re: Halogen Beta? | Matt | 10/4/06 9:45 a.m. |
| Re: Halogen Beta? | Hawaiian Pig | 10/4/06 10:40 a.m. |
| Re: Halogen Beta? | Matt | 10/4/06 2:39 p.m. |
| Re: Halogen Beta? | Dry Ice | 10/4/06 3:06 p.m. |
| Re: Halogen Beta? | Dry Ice | 10/4/06 3:09 p.m. |
| Re: Halogen Beta? | Narcogen | 10/4/06 10:56 a.m. |
| Re: Halogen Beta? | Matt | 10/4/06 2:37 p.m. |
| Re: Halogen Beta? | Count Zero | 10/4/06 3:00 p.m. |
| Re: Halogen Beta? | Louis Wu | 10/4/06 3:27 p.m. |
| Re: Halogen Beta? | Hawaiian Pig | 10/4/06 7:23 p.m. |
| Re: Halogen Beta? | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 10/4/06 9:56 a.m. |
| Re: Halogen Beta? | Narcogen | 10/4/06 10:54 a.m. |
| Re: Halogen Beta? | Hawaiian Pig | 10/4/06 10:58 a.m. |
| Re: Halogen Beta? | Schedonnardus | 10/4/06 3:26 p.m. |
| Re: Halogen Beta? | Matt | 10/4/06 3:42 p.m. |
| Someone's been swigging the cough syrup again. *NM* | Louis Wu | 10/4/06 4:32 p.m. |
| Re: Halogen Beta? | mercury | 10/4/06 4:38 p.m. |
| Re: Halogen Beta? | Narcogen | 10/4/06 8:32 p.m. |
| Re: Halogen Beta? | Schedonnardus | 10/5/06 11:06 a.m. |
| Re: Halogen Beta? | Endbringer | 10/5/06 11:31 a.m. |
| Nice! | Miguel Chavez | 10/5/06 12:41 p.m. |
| Re: Nice! | Sep7imus [subnova] | 10/5/06 2:12 p.m. |
| This is what I meant, yes | Miguel Chavez | 10/4/06 5:44 p.m. |
| A Mod Developer's Take on the Situation | RedMoney999 | 10/4/06 8:08 p.m. |
| Re: A Mod Developer's Take on the Situation | Narcogen | 10/4/06 8:59 p.m. |
| Re: A Mod Developer's Take on the Situation | Miguel Chavez | 10/4/06 10:21 p.m. |
| Re: A Mod Developer's Take on the Situation | Sep7imus [subnova] | 10/5/06 2:22 p.m. |
| Re: A Mod Developer's Take on the Situation | RedMonkey999 | 10/5/06 11:18 p.m. |
| Re: A Mod Developer's Take on the Situation | Louis Wu | 10/6/06 4:45 a.m. |
| Re: A Mod Developer's Take on the Situation | RedMonkey999 | 10/8/06 3:44 p.m. |
| Re: Halogen Beta? | Konrad | 10/4/06 11:08 a.m. |
| Heh! *NM* | Stuntmutt | 10/4/06 11:15 a.m. |
| Re: Halogen Beta? | Narcogen | 10/4/06 12:07 a.m. |
| Couldn't be said any better. *NM* | Cocopjojo | 10/4/06 1:22 a.m. |
| Re: Halogen Beta? | BARBARIC RAGE | 10/4/06 12:21 p.m. |
| Re: Halogen Beta? | mercury | 10/4/06 1:22 p.m. |
| Re: Halogen Beta? | mercury | 10/3/06 4:43 p.m. |
| Bungie didn't shut them down. | 58 | 10/3/06 5:40 p.m. |
| Re: Bungie didn't shut them down. | Sharkface217 | 10/3/06 7:59 p.m. |
| Bungie's role in Halogen shutdown | Narcogen | 10/4/06 12:22 a.m. |
| Re: Bungie's role in Halogen shutdown | Rox | 10/4/06 3:07 a.m. |
| Re: Bungie's role in Halogen shutdown | Narcogen | 10/4/06 4:14 a.m. |
| Re: Bungie's role in Halogen shutdown | Rox | 10/4/06 7:54 a.m. |
| Re: Bungie's role in Halogen shutdown | Narcogen | 10/4/06 10:58 a.m. |
| HBO: Waiting for Microsoft lawyers to shut us down *NM* | Stuntmutt | 10/4/06 8:44 a.m. |
| They'll be sure to shut down One One Se7en first | UrsusArctos | 10/4/06 8:47 a.m. |
| Re: They'll be sure to shut down One One Se7en fir | UrsusArctos | 10/4/06 8:50 a.m. |
| To clarify my position... | Stuntmutt | 10/4/06 9:18 a.m. |
| Re: To clarify my position... | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 10/4/06 9:53 a.m. |
| Re: To clarify my position... | A of T | 10/4/06 11:54 a.m. |
| Re: To clarify my position... | Miguel Chavez | 10/4/06 3:45 p.m. |
| Re: To clarify my position... | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 10/4/06 3:54 p.m. |
| Re: To clarify my position... | Blck | 10/5/06 2:27 p.m. |
| Re: To clarify my position...try starcraft :p | vshields ash | 10/6/06 4:25 a.m. |
| Re: To clarify my position...try starcraft :p | ShortRoundMcfly | 10/6/06 7:05 p.m. |
| Re: To clarify my position...try starcraft :p | UrsusArctos | 10/7/06 11:53 p.m. |
| Re: To clarify my position...try starcraft :p | Sparkamus | 10/8/06 12:51 a.m. |
| Re: Bungie's role in Halogen shutdown | Miguel Chavez | 10/4/06 9:03 a.m. |
| Re: Bungie's role in Halogen shutdown | Vlad3163 | 10/4/06 9:48 a.m. |
| Re: Bungie's role in Halogen shutdown | ShortRoundMcfly | 10/4/06 12:58 p.m. |
| Re: Bungie's role in Halogen shutdown | Narcogen | 10/4/06 9:02 p.m. |
| Re: Bungie didn't shut them down. | mercury | 10/4/06 1:09 p.m. |
| Re: Halogen Beta? | Quikthnkr | 10/4/06 1:37 p.m. |
| A Mod Developer's Take on the Situation | RedMonkey999 | 10/4/06 8:17 p.m. |
| Re: A Mod Developer's Take on the Situation | Sharkface217 | 10/4/06 8:47 p.m. |
| Re: A Mod Developer's Take on the Situation | The 'Loot | 10/5/06 2:47 a.m. |
| Re: A Mod Developer's Take-meh... | vshields ash | 10/6/06 4:42 a.m. |
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