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Re: Wrong levels?
Posted By: Narcogen <narcogen@rampancy.net>Date: 9/26/06 5:41 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Wrong levels? (Wado SG)

: Gah, you are correct. I must have got my wires crossed. I think it
: "felt" like the place had a religious meaning because it
: reminded me of something not from Halo (an older kind of architecture with
: the carving on the walls).

True, but most of the other areas we visit in Halo seem far more sparse and functional. Or else very dark.

: So we are seeing it on the way out (to the surface world) of the facility's
: security center.

Yes indeed.

: I think maybe we have underestimated the importance of the Cartographer.
: There are no handy information booths on Halo that we can get directions
: from. Only the map maker (Cartographer) could tell us where to go. There
: is only one of them and it is in a secured location, surrounded by water
: with connecting tunnels underneath that go everywhere on Halo.

Well, I think it's difficult to ascribe any more or less importance than there is on the surface. Notice that Halo 2 dispenses with the idea entirely; they identify the Library by its external appearance-- no doubt provided by Cortana, since we never see the Library from the outside in Halo 1.

What you're suggesting makes the map room more important in general, but less specific. If there's a pictogram on the walls of the corridors leading to the map room, I'm inclined to try and interpret them as illustrating the process of reading a map, or looking up a location, rather than firing the installation, since that action is not performed there, and is only one of (conceivably) many actions which may take place on the ring, the majority of which would be routine and perhaps related to scientific study of the Flood, rather than the activation of a fail-safe self-destruct mechanism.

: I really think that there is a possibility that the security overrides in
: that facility actually controls security over all of Halo (Installation
: 04). Even though Cortana says it is only for the facity containing the
: Cartographer.

Think you're reading in too much. Not only does it directly contradict Cortana's, but it doesn't gain anything reading it this way-- it doesn't make sense of anything later in the story that we can't already explain, for instance.

: I think Cortana is wrong. I think the Master Chief could have unlocked
: something that eventually allowed the Flood to escape. Maybe not all the
: Flood were locked away in cells. Maybe some had escaped and had been
: trapped in other areas of Halo. Areas that were unlocked by the Master
: Chief. Areas all over Halo.

If that were the case I think Bungie would have made it abundantly clear somehow. There's little point in making the MC responsible and then being quiet about it.

Keep in mind, this isn't a real universe where things happen by accident and not everything is known. It's a carefully constructed universe. Everything exists for a reason. You can make up any sequence of events you like that don't contradict with what we already know, but if it doesn't answer a question you have then whether it's true or not doesn't end up mattering.

: If this be the case, the facility housing the Cartographer is very important.
: Enough that it is as important as the Control Room itself for keeping
: things under control on Installation 04. IMHO.

I suppose.

: I think the Cartographer can make a map of anything known to the Forerunner,
: just in the game we are only shown what we are most looking for.

Again, whether it's consistent or not doesn't matter. If knowing that doesn't illuminate some part of the story we have a question about, then it's pointless to argue about whether it could be true or might be true.

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Worth a thousand and one words - *IMAGEWado SG 9/24/06 8:29 p.m.
     Interesting. Damn good find. *NM*CowOnTheNews 9/24/06 8:35 p.m.
     Holy Crap...Evil Squid 9/24/06 8:38 p.m.
     Spooky *NM*Bluestone 9/24/06 8:40 p.m.
     Crazy Nice Find!! Very Surprising *NM*Grantix 9/24/06 8:40 p.m.
     I don't see how...Unsc Trafalgar 9/24/06 8:47 p.m.
           I think that's a pictogram of Halo firing.Slith 9/24/06 10:20 p.m.
                 I don't see it.GhaleonEB 9/25/06 12:57 a.m.
                       Re: I don't see it.Wado SG 9/25/06 1:06 a.m.
                             Pictogram of Halo FiringSlith 9/25/06 11:03 p.m.
                                   Re: Pictogram of Halo FiringWado SG 9/26/06 1:27 a.m.
     Ooooooooh, creeeeepy! *shudders* *NM*UrsusArctos 9/24/06 8:48 p.m.
     Pic doesnt work for me :( *NM*Littlebigman 9/24/06 9:05 p.m.
     Re: Worth a thousand and one words - *IMAGERagashingo 9/24/06 11:26 p.m.
           Picture speculationWado SG 9/25/06 12:59 a.m.
                 Re: Picture speculationocean_fx 9/25/06 8:43 a.m.
     Re: Worth a thousand and one words - *IMAGEPeptuck 9/24/06 11:38 p.m.
     Worth one thousand slimy things? *NM* *NM*Arbiter _347 9/25/06 12:24 a.m.
     I can't say I'm convinced, on the wholehminn 9/25/06 3:10 a.m.
     Nice one! *NM*Jillybean 9/25/06 5:04 a.m.
     Re: Worth a thousand and one words - *IMAGEHobbes 9/25/06 8:45 a.m.
     "What exactly am I looking at?"[AMS] GreyThor 9/25/06 9:28 a.m.
           Re: "What exactly am I looking at?"Jillybean 9/25/06 9:41 a.m.
                 Re: "What exactly am I looking at?"Hobbes 9/25/06 9:47 a.m.
                 Re: "What exactly am I looking at?"[AMS] GreyThor 9/25/06 5:10 p.m.
                       Re: "What exactly am I looking at?"Louis Wu 9/25/06 5:15 p.m.
     Re: Worth a thousand and one words - *IMAGEXmoose 9/25/06 9:54 a.m.
     And in Halo PCBry 9/25/06 10:03 a.m.
           Re: And in Halo PCHobbes 9/25/06 10:17 a.m.
                 Re: And in Halo PCJillybean 9/25/06 11:21 a.m.
                 Re: And in Halo PCWado SG 9/25/06 12:23 p.m.
                       Two questions....yakaman 9/25/06 1:20 p.m.
                             Re: Two questions....Wado SG 9/25/06 5:47 p.m.
                                   Re: Two questions....Hobbes 9/25/06 6:20 p.m.
           Thanks, much better image *NM*Wado SG 9/25/06 12:15 p.m.
     Another look at it *IMAGE*Schedonnardus 9/25/06 1:22 p.m.
           Fantastic!Wado SG 9/25/06 3:48 p.m.
     RorschachJillybean 9/25/06 2:08 p.m.
           Good one.Wado SG 9/25/06 3:50 p.m.
     wwfsmd? *NM* *NM*nof 9/25/06 2:18 p.m.
           No. *NM*WWF 9/25/06 2:34 p.m.
                 Re: No.Louis Wu 9/25/06 3:08 p.m.
                       Re: No.Schedonnardus 9/25/06 3:41 p.m.
                             DocumentDocument 9/25/06 3:47 p.m.
                                   ^ name in subject line = accident *NM*Document 9/25/06 3:49 p.m.
                             Re: No.Louis Wu 9/25/06 4:16 p.m.
                                   Re: No.KoCKynVainn @Campus Computer Lab 9/25/06 4:31 p.m.
                                         Re: No.nof 9/25/06 6:42 p.m.
                                               You wound me, nof. *NM*Louis Wu 9/25/06 7:15 p.m.
                                                     You wound Him.nof 9/25/06 9:37 p.m.
                                                     Re: You wound me, nof.jdogmoney 9/26/06 10:30 p.m.
                       Re: No.WWF 9/25/06 3:49 p.m.
     the first contact with the Forerunners... when?AngelicLionheart 9/25/06 2:35 p.m.
           Re: the first contact with the Forerunners... whenBry 9/25/06 2:49 p.m.
                 Mobuto *NM*Document 9/25/06 3:06 p.m.
                       I blame google which I quickly used to check. =P *NM*Bry 9/25/06 3:57 p.m.
           read conversations from the universeSchedonnardus 9/25/06 2:51 p.m.
                 Re: read conversations from the universeHobbes 9/25/06 4:47 p.m.
     Re: Worth a thousand and one words - *IMAGEgg1978 9/25/06 6:49 p.m.
     Here's what I see *IMAGES*Mister Froggy 9/25/06 6:52 p.m.
           My thoughts exactlySparkypinball 9/26/06 5:20 a.m.
     Re: Worth a thousand and one words - *IMAGEmaxthehedgie 9/25/06 9:12 p.m.
           Re: Worth a thousand and one words - *IMAGERosco-128 9/25/06 10:46 p.m.
     Wrong levels?Narcogen 9/25/06 11:19 p.m.
           Re: Wrong levels?Wado SG 9/26/06 1:53 a.m.
                 Re: Wrong levels?Hobbes 9/26/06 2:32 a.m.
                       Re: Wrong levels?Wado SG 9/26/06 12:07 p.m.
                 Re: Wrong levels?Narcogen 9/26/06 5:41 a.m.
                       Re: Wrong levels?Wado SG 9/26/06 1:13 p.m.
     WARNING: Shoot Flood Here >AdamantMonk 9/26/06 3:06 a.m.



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