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Re: My Thoughts on the Halo Series
Posted By: ubersaurus <ubersaurus@yahoo.com>Date: 9/12/06 5:54 p.m.

In Response To: Re: My Thoughts on the Halo Series (ubersaurus)

: A few thoughts on your writings: I'll have to disagree on your motion tracker
: thoughts. I usually ended up turning it off in Halo 1, due to the fact
: that it's range and sensitivity made finding targets pitifully easy. The
: reduced range, coupled with crouch walking, gave it a sort of strategic
: dynamic that offset it's potential power. On an aside, referring to crouch
: walking as "cheap" hurts your piece as a whole by making you
: seem like someone who just doesn't want to play by the game's rules.
: Further, making it impossible to see while scoped forces you to take time
: out from sniping to be more aware of your immediate surroundings, and how
: that can be a bad thing is beyond me. I will agree that the motion tracker
: should be removed completely when turned off instead of just sitting
: there, inert.

: The fall damage, if I recall, was taken out because the sword lunge was
: causing the sword user to die from the speed and impact on the ground. If
: memory serves, it was taken out because they didn't have the development
: time to fix it, and thus had to sacrifice fall damage or the sword.
: Personally I'd say they made the better choice, but I really expect fall
: damage will return in 3.

: And I have to disagree entirely on your thoughts with the health bar. You say
: it's unrealistic to regenerate health; I say it's unrealistic to go from
: nearly dead to fully healed just by walking over a little white box.
: Camping health packs was a viable strategy in Halo 1, and their removal
: made the game a bit more fluid, in my opinion. It doesn't take much
: thought to oneself to realize "well, my shield was down and I got
: shot a lot, I'm probably weaker than I'd prefer right now" and to
: thus play more carefully without having it spelled out for you in little
: boxes.

: Combat is no ballet. Combat is chaos, and as a result I'd argue that jumping,
: melee lunges, and the like do help to create that illusion of a real
: fight. I do agree that the melee lunges aren't very reliable, considering
: how many times I've whiffed with the person standing right in front of me,
: or the losing track of them entirely. However, Halo 1's rare close
: quarters combat fights always did come down to the same concept of
: "charge guns a blazing until you reach melee range". Halo 2 is a
: more close-combat oriented game, and thus you see it more often than Halo
: 1's rare melees.

: As for ladders vs grav lifts, I'd take the lifts vs the crappy ladders any
: day. At least I can defend myself on a lift. Ladders forced you to look
: upwards towards the wall to move, and to fight back, you were really
: limited in your approaches.

: And on the powerups, fighting cloaked people in multiplayer is still a pain
: in the ass, it's just more doable. The overshield's glow is a really nice
: touch, and it really lets the opposing players know who they should
: concentrate their fire on to take down. If you're telling me a bit of
: balance like that is bad, I'm just confused.

: The power weapons respawn continuously on a few Halo 2 maps. On Ascension,
: they tend to unbalance the map completely, as a team who can secure the
: first two snipers can cover the level until they respawn, allowing two
: more teammates to grab them and demolish the opposing team. Similar
: occurances abound on Waterworks, but as a larger map it's not as big a
: deal.

: The halo 1 pistol was not "balanced" for all around combat. It was
: far and away the best choice in all but the most extreme of distances-in
: your face combat was bested by the shotgun, and long long range was bested
: by the sniper. In mid range, closeish range, and longish range, it
: dominated everything else, and although that may make for a good
: competitive game, it hurt the game badly for the rest of it's audience. I
: don't accept the rocket as an effective mid-range weapon against the
: pistol simply because it had a low rate of fire, slow reload, and in
: general would fail against a pistol unless it hit on the first shot. By
: turning the BR into a large pistol you're just creating that same balance
: issue all over again. The only real difference between the two weapons as
: it stands is that the BR takes one more burst, and that it takes longer
: between bursts to fire than it did bullets on the old pistol. As it stands
: it makes it deadly effective without any cover, and undereffective against
: snipers. The halo 2 plasma pistol is also very effective on it's own as a
: close range surrogate to the shotgun-an overcharge followed by a melee
: will drop ANYONE.

: Since I have to go back to work now, I shall finish this later.

Back to what I was saying here, I will agree that dual wield weapons as a whole are generally too weak by themselves. The SMG you can still use effectively as a single weapon via burst firing, and the aforementioned PP, but the plasma rifle's lack of stun makes it largely useless against unshielded foes, the needler's slow and slow firing needles are even more useless than they were in halo 1(as well as the tracking online-on LANs that problem almost seems nonexistant). And the magnum, well, you said it. I'm sure there's some way to balance this out besides taking out certain weapon effects when dual wielded, and I'll leave it to bungie to figure that particular problem out.

As for grenades, I'd say their weakening came at the hands of the new health and shield system, to which the new ones are more well suited. It would be nice to blow a sniper up with the grenade, but that may just make them too strong in other circumstances.

I've taken down sword users pretty efficiently in my time on halo 2, but it took me a while to get any good at doing it. However, if you remove the lunge, than the weapon becomes nigh-worthless, since then even a shotgun can take out a sword user. I don't go into combat with an empty brute shot if I can pick up anything else, and your proposal pretty much leaves the sword as one of those. If anything, I'd simply cut the lunge range down a bit to give you a better chance of killing them before they get close enough to kill.

The people I know who use the shotgun from halo 1, used it the same way as they did in 2-up close firing, followed by an immediate melee. In this end it's just as good as ever, particularly on a LAN. Lag kills that weapon badly, unless it's used as a sneak attack gun(which it excels at-hiding around corners, wheee!)

Though the sniper doesn't hold accuracy it longer ranges, it's much easier to headshot someone with it now, which I feel offsets that, perhaps too much. Perhaps that particular issue will get toned down, I'd hope so. As it stands being in a vehicle is about the only way to really be protected from a sniper and still fight back.

As for the banshee, I hardly ever use it's special maneuvers. As for the loss of hovering, I find that by flying at a backwards angle to the right degree will leave you falling extremely slowly, if at all, providing a suitable replacement for the hover. Killing a banshee with SMGs and magnums seems like it shouldn't work, but it is an extremely effective method of taking the birds down, and in the absence of plasma grenades or rockets, is the one I suggest.

Personally, I'd say the scorpion is too strong now. The improved accuracy and ROF to both of it's cannons make it far too capable of killing gauss hogs, ghosts, and banshees before they become a threat, and the fact it takes 3-4 rockets to take down make it difficult to take down with a human. Supposedly you were able to snipe off the cockpit cover to get at the driver, like they were vulnerable in halo 1. This takes too long to be of any help, though.

I, unlike you, feel that Halo 2 was the better game of the two, but I recognize that Halo 1 was still pretty sweet, and aspects of both games could be effectively utilized in the 3rd.


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