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Re: Time travel for Shishka
Posted By: ShishkaDate: 9/8/03 6:32 p.m.

In Response To: Time travel for Shishka (Wado SG)

: Hey Shishka, since I don't think you are a big reader of my fictional
: writings, I will attempt to give you a different version of time travel,
: maybe you will appreciate what I have to say.

: The very first concept is to agree that time is used as a way to express
: change and movement. Everything from the movement of stellar bodies to the
: chemical reactions in our brain can be measured with time. However, time
: itself is not physical, it is a measure of other things. Time is an
: illusion.

: If something were to exist outside of time, it too would have to be an
: illusion (not physical).

: So imagine you enter a time machine and you had a viewer that let you see
: what was going on outside while you travel back in time. Like the
: rewinding of a home movie you would "see" your friends go from
: old men to boys and even see yourself return to the womb. Rusted things
: would become new, rain would fall upwards.

: If you went back to a time before fire was discovered by man and looked
: around to see fierce beasts, you might yearn to go out and with your
: trusty elephant gun, get yourself a nice trophy to take back to the
: future. You will find, however, that your trusty rifle is not there, nor
: is your body. You are illusion, a phantom, a ghost. You have no physical
: body or means to affect the physical world. You exist outside of time.

: Now this isn't your ordinary time machine, but one built by the ancients
: before they knew better. You have the means to affect the physical world
: using the machine. You summon up yourself to walk among the primatives.
: What you create is an exact duplicate of what you once were using matter
: gathered from around. You gasp in horror, though, when you realize you are
: NOT in the body, but still illusion. You have created a COPY of yourself
: that moves about the physical world.

: Yes your copy can do things to change the future, but that matters not to you
: anymore because time has no meaning to you. You are but an illusion,
: trapped in the prison outside of time.

: Time changes for those in the physical world, but for those cursed with time
: travel, they can do nothing but watch -- detached from all that exists.
: Soon everything will seem like an endless dream, nothing is real anymore.

Very interesting and even poetic, Wado, but I hold my position. The problem here lies in the fact that you define time as, essentially, an illusion. To call time an illusion because it is not measured with physical quantities is false. While time is not a physical dimension, it is in fact a dimension that is experienced by all objects, even if in relativity.

As such, time does exist, and like all other dimensions, is not one that can merely be sidestepped or turned inside out.

Finally, your story simply said "Imagine you enter a time machine." That doesn't help me buy it. Time machines are interesting for the sake of argument, but time travel still doesn't hold any weight as a good plot device in a larger story.

All existance is temporal.

Lastly, I want to add that it's not because I don't like your fanfiction that I don't read it, but because I avoid fanfiction in general.


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A stupid theorycharybdis 9/7/03 11:50 p.m.
     Re: A stupid theorydogchow33 9/7/03 11:54 p.m.
     Re: A stupid theoryWhatTheDilly-O 9/8/03 12:01 a.m.
     Re: A stupid theoryWado SG 9/8/03 11:42 a.m.
     Re: A stupid theorymnemesis 9/8/03 11:43 a.m.
     Re: A stupid theoryShishka 9/8/03 12:06 p.m.
           Re: A stupid theoryCount Zero 9/8/03 12:15 p.m.
                 Re: A stupid theoryShishka 9/8/03 12:22 p.m.
                       Re: A stupid theoryJota Rota 9/8/03 1:22 p.m.
                             Re: A stupid theoryShishka 9/8/03 3:54 p.m.
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                                               Re: A stupid theoryViscily II 9/24/03 9:42 p.m.
                       Time travel for ShishkaWado SG 9/8/03 4:52 p.m.
                             Re: Time travel for ShishkaShishka 9/8/03 6:32 p.m.
                                   Re: Time travel for Shishkamnemesis 9/8/03 7:39 p.m.
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