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Re: I disagree
Posted By: mad.max <max.too@talk21.com>	Date: 10/24/99 9:41 a.m.
In Response To: Re: I disagree (Noctavis =PN=) > Can you share some of these with me/us? I'd like to dissect the > nitty-gritty specifics... If you could toss me either some files > or URLs, I'd appreciate it. Share the problems with you? I'll try and remember them. As for files or URLs I'm afraid I can't, for one thing I am on a University computer, not my own, and I never have put up one of the shitty pages. Sorry. As far as I can remember, IE had great problems with animated GIFs. I was creating a pretty simple GIF image, with about 30 frames, looping, and IE didn't do the masks right, and so I had to od each frame exactly. Um. Text flow into the graphics, you know, where you have a graphic on the page with text supposed to flow nicely around (what's the tag, I can't remember), but the last couple of lines of text always used to collide with the image. Let me try a dodgy ASCII picture... What happened - aaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaa ppppp aaaaa ppppp aaaaa ppppp aaaaaaaxxxxx aaaaaaaxxxxx aaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaa What should have happened - aaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaa ppppp aaaaa ppppp aaaaa ppppp aaaaa ppppp aaaaa ppppp aaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaa I hope that makes sense ('a' is text, 'p' is piccy, 'x' is messy) What else..... Tables didn't always work, when using the <nomargin> tag (although that MIGHT not be W3C, I'm not sure. In which case, feel free to kill me). It always used to have a margin on the right hand side of the page, even with 100% all over the place. > You say they're perfectly W3C-conforming? Were you using layers > or anything of the sort? Nope. I don't tend to use layers, until more recently (doing stuff with JavaScript and GoLive 4) > No they haven't. NetScrape still has ugly table support. The > table-crash bug was fixed, but the rest still has plenty of > problems. Hmmmm. I really can't say I've ever seen any table problems with NS. Maybe it's cause I define my cells very well (I use GoLive and then tidy it up with BBEdit). If you can point me at an example, I'll head on over. > For instance... if you don't define a very specific (pixel or > percentage) width or height for a given table cell, NetScrape > has a lot of difficulty adjusting it intelligently in relation > to other table cells. Ah. I always define my cells really well (percentages or pixels for all of them). And yes, I have actually noticed that sometimes they disappear if you don't define them well. Heights suck (in general though, on IE and NS) > That's just it. Why should you have to hold down shift? It also > isn't consistent or reliable.... there have been plenty of times > that I've had to close down NS and then reopen it just to view > updates to a given page. I never have to leave Netscape to update a page. Maybe it is a difference in our caching system? (Mac/Win or Home/Uni, I don't know) I know that I use a proxy server for everything. > It is true that Microsoft likes to throw in a few new tags now > and then, but they still conform much more... Most books I have > read or browsed that discuss the differences between NS and IE > will tell you that IE holds to the standard better. Hmmm. We must read different books, because I can safely say that all the books I read say that NS holds better :-) I do think though that ALL browsers should be FORCED to conform to ALL standards, and creating new tags should have to be approved through the W3C, and added to the next update of the HTML Language. > Want to know something really funny? JavaScript originated as a > NetScrape language... there has been a new standard for JS > called ECMA (or the ECMAscript standard) and Microsoft is > following this much better than Netscape has, to date. Really? I didn't know that. For some reason I thought JavaScript had been invented by Sun? Dunno where the hell that came from :-) > Hrm... to the letter? I was hearing that there are some rather > common things that it may not support.... table backgrounds? No, it will support everything apparently. Right now it doesn't (I think the latest is iCab 1.7 and there are quite a view things missing, like Java support. > If MS didn't already have a monopoly, Netscape would be the ones > we would be hating. I'm sorry if my words came over wrong, I am not saying which of NetScape and Microsoft I prefer, but I do think that they might have some bias over platforms, and that programs may render and operate differently on different platforms. I just realised who I was talking to as well. How's HaloNews coming along? Any more big scoops coming our way? See ya mad.max

Message Index

Some Stats, for those who keep track	Louis Wu	10/24/99 12:22 a.m.
IE!?!	Daft Shadow =PN=	10/24/99 12:41 a.m.
Browser war! *throws his mouse at DS's head*	Noctavis =PN=	10/24/99 3:30 a.m.
I disagree	mad.max	10/24/99 6:20 a.m.
Re: I disagree	Noctavis =PN=	10/24/99 6:57 a.m.
iCab	CyberBob	10/25/99 3:39 a.m.
Re: iCab	Jägermeister	10/25/99 1:14 p.m.
Re: I disagree	Noctavis =PN=	10/24/99 7:10 a.m.
Read the above one (frickin' laptop mouse) NT	Noctavis =PN=	10/24/99 7:17 a.m.
Hate it when that happens (NT)	mad.max	10/24/99 9:42 a.m.
Re: I disagree	Claude Errera	10/24/99 9:24 a.m.
Missing CSS Support	mad.max	10/24/99 11:21 a.m.
Re: Missing CSS Support	Fractalus =PN=	10/24/99 6:31 p.m.
I do the same thing	SonicStorm	10/25/99 3:02 a.m.
Forced refresh	Noctavis =PN=	10/24/99 8:03 p.m.
Re: I disagree	mad.max	10/24/99 9:41 a.m.
HTML nitty-gritty	Noctavis =PN=	10/25/99 5:03 a.m.
HTML nitty-gritty	Noctavis =PN=	10/25/99 6:25 a.m.
Re: HTML nitty-gritty	mad.max	10/25/99 2:16 p.m.
Re: HTML nitty-gritty	Noctavis =PN=	10/25/99 5:45 p.m.
Re: HTML nitty-gritty	mad.max	10/26/99 11:36 a.m.
yeah, they are different	SonicStorm	10/25/99 2:56 a.m.
Just remembered	mad.max	10/24/99 6:23 a.m.
My Mac is 100% Microcrock free! NT	Jägermeister	10/24/99 5:35 p.m.
Re: Browser war! *throws his mouse at DS's head*	Cheese	10/24/99 8:03 p.m.
Amen Brother! (NT)	SonicStorm	10/25/99 2:52 a.m.
Re: Some Stats, for those who keep track	JoeDaMac	10/24/99 12:13 p.m.
Re: Some Stats, for those who keep track	Mage	10/24/99 12:21 p.m.
Re: Some Stats, for those who keep track	Tsao =PN=	10/24/99 1:47 p.m.
Re: Some Stats, for those who keep track	Mage	10/24/99 3:44 p.m.
Dont forget the macusers here with windows@work nt	CyberBob	10/25/99 3:31 a.m.
Re: Dont forget the macusers here with windows@wor	Jägermeister	10/25/99 1:13 p.m.
What are you guys talking about?	Freewill	10/24/99 12:57 p.m.
Re: IE!?!	SonicStorm	10/25/99 2:49 a.m.
Re: IE!?!	SiliconDream	10/25/99 10:52 a.m.
Re: Some Stats, for those who keep track	Troy Lawlor	10/24/99 6:13 p.m.
Re: Some Stats, for those who keep track	Louis Wu	10/24/99 6:56 p.m.
Re: Some Stats, for those who keep track	Black Marlin	10/25/99 6:31 a.m.