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in response to Michael and Ben
Posted By: Nathan <nathan@bungie.com>Date: 10/14/99 12:34 p.m.

In Response To: sorry, but... (Ben Schodek)

> Sorry, but Im going to have to agree with Michael Eilers on this
> one. Atleast, I always thought a race was a sub-member of a
> species... Yes, I guese it is debatable, but I thought Michaels
> deffinition of a race was correct. Maybe its just me... Anyways,
> I'm glad you cleared up more or less what You guys mean by
> it....

But none of this was the point. For pete's sake, it's 4th-grade biology, not high school biology, and I'll gladly put my grade school, high school and college biology grades on par with anyone.

The point was that we were arguing about SEMANTICS that really had nothing to do with the gameplay. I am talking about a game, not biology. In some cases, the best word to fit a situation might not be the most accurate word. The point is that you guys had taken something we said and twisted it incorrectly based on semantics. This is not the same as me saying what "we mean by race". I am not HERE to discuss the scientific debate of race being a subset of species (which is a debate, sorry guys, URLs in private email if this has to go any further), I'm not here to discuss the war in Kosovo.

I only wanted to state that the Covenant are made up of a consortium of WHATEVER WORD YOU WANT TO USE to indicate that they don't all look the same and that they're not limited to three. That's ALL. I think it is unfortunate that someone felt the need to stir up an article out of it, but that is their right.

Here is the Cambridge definition:

a group, esp. of people, with particular similar physical characteristics, who are considered as belonging to the same type, or the fact of belonging to such a group

[NOTICE HOW DIFFERENCE THAT IS THAN A *BIOLOGICAL* DEFINITION - I NEVER SAID I WAS USING A BIOLOGICAL DEFINITION, A SOCIAL DEFINITION OR ANYTHING ELSE]

Race is sometimes used to mean a group of people whO share the same language, history, characteristics, etc..

[AGAIN NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE - SOUNDS LIKE ETHNICITY TO ME ... I HOPE YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS IS NOT - PARDON THE PUN - BLACK AND WHITE]

The French race is/are sometimes said to have a strong interest in food. [C + sing/pl v]

The French race? Yes, that sentence came from the Cambridge dictionary.

Sorry, but this doesn't fit your definition. And none of the definitions mention race being a synonym for "sub-species". Race is a human construct, not a biological one - IN MY OPINION. And, no, this particular college textbook does NOT list 'race' under species as biological classification, although it mentions the debate.

So please ... if we are going to discuss it further, let's take it to email. This isn't why I'm on the board and I can hear others saying now ... "This is why we don't post on forums." And Michael, I don't mean this to be offensive, but I am kind of disappointed that you found this news-worthy as far as Halo goes. I really don't think it has much to do with the game, but is rather a sociological or biological debate.

Or at best, even if you guys insist, an accepted biological fact. Either way, this will be my last response unless you prefer private email, since this doesn't have much to do with Bungie or Halo. :-)

Thanks,

Nathan


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3 alien species, eh?Chris 10/9/99 10:34 p.m.
     Re: 3 alien species, eh?Noctavis =PN= 10/10/99 2:30 a.m.
           Re: 3 alien species, eh?Grey 10/10/99 7:09 a.m.
                 Confederacy? When was this? (NT)Louis 10/10/99 11:30 a.m.
                       Re: Confederacy? When was this?Forensic 10/10/99 1:39 p.m.
                             Re: Confederacy? When was this?Nathan 10/12/99 1:12 a.m.
                                   Re: Confederacy? When was this?Forensic 10/12/99 10:26 a.m.
                                         Re: Confederacy? When was this?Claude Errera 10/12/99 11:54 a.m.
                                               Re: Confederacy? When was this?Mark Levin 10/12/99 12:17 p.m.
                                                     Re: Confederacy? When was this?Forensic 10/12/99 3:49 p.m.
                                                           Re: Confederacy? When was this?Nathan 10/12/99 6:08 p.m.
                                                                 speaking of "races"...Ben Schodek 10/12/99 9:29 p.m.
                                                                       Re: speaking of "races"...Michael Eilers 10/13/99 4:55 p.m.
                                                                             Talk about SillyIsland Four 10/14/99 1:35 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: Talk about SillyDan Rudolph 10/14/99 9:42 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: Talk about Sillyphayd 10/14/99 3:03 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Talk about SillyLouis 10/14/99 3:21 p.m.
                                                                                   sorry, but...Ben Schodek 10/14/99 11:22 a.m.
                                                                                         in response to Michael and BenNathan 10/14/99 12:34 p.m.
                                                                                               Ok, ok, good lord calm down...Ben Schodek@mediaone.net 10/14/99 12:53 p.m.
                                                                                               I knew there was something up w/the french!Cannibal Harry 10/14/99 2:21 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: in response to Michael and BenMichael Eilers 10/14/99 2:47 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: in response to Michael and BenMark Levin 10/14/99 4:21 p.m.
                                                                                                     No hard feelings ... reallyNathan 10/15/99 7:36 a.m.
                                                                                                           Doesn't really expect to be answered, but...Forensic 10/15/99 3:20 p.m.
                                                                                               Zoicks!Forensic 10/14/99 11:40 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Talk about SillyJared Cash 10/14/99 12:52 p.m.
                                                                                         I Give UpNathan 10/14/99 2:02 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: I Give UpJared Cash 10/14/99 2:09 p.m.
                                   Re: Confederacy? When was this?RedWind 10/12/99 3:03 p.m.
                                         who said phfor??Ben Schodek 10/12/99 9:21 p.m.
                                               Hoorah!Mage 10/12/99 9:28 p.m.
                                               Marathon 4 would be pretty cool tho ;) (NT)Mark Levin 10/12/99 9:31 p.m.
                                               Re: who said phfor??Dispatcher 10/12/99 10:23 p.m.
                                               Re: who said phfor??Jägermeister 10/13/99 12:11 a.m.
                                                     Re: who said phfor??Ben Schodek 10/13/99 2:14 p.m.
                                                           Re: who said phfor??Mark Levin 10/13/99 3:10 p.m.
                                                                 NahDesio 10/13/99 4:53 p.m.
                                                                       Re: NahJägermeister 10/13/99 5:36 p.m.
                                                                             Like W'rkncacnter? ; ) NTDesio 10/14/99 6:54 p.m.
                                                                             Or "Misspell"Two B King 10/15/99 10:09 a.m.
                                                     Re: who said phfor??Jon Merriman 10/13/99 9:04 p.m.
                                                           I'm saying "Crowning Glory".Dispatcher 10/13/99 9:56 p.m.
                                               BTW, it's PFHOR, not PHFOR! NTJägermeister 10/13/99 12:49 p.m.
                                   The difference?Chris 10/12/99 5:32 p.m.
                 Re: 3 alien species, eh?SiliconDream 10/10/99 9:57 p.m.
                       Re: 3 alien species, eh?Dr. F. 10/12/99 3:02 p.m.
                 AyeNoctavis the Insomniac 10/11/99 1:39 a.m.



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