Re: MaraTheory
Posted By: nevets01Date: 11/9/17 5:23 p.m.

In Response To: Re: MaraTheory (General-RADIX)

: Funny thing: in the early stages of Halo: CE, the Forerunners were to be
: revealed as the Jjaro, who in turn would be revealed as human, so in the
: context of this theory, the SO could be part-Jjaro in more than one sense.
: And unlike Halo's later developments, I don't think there's anything in
: Marathon that blatantly contradicts the "human Jjaro" idea.

I actually haven't played any of the HALO games.

: wrt: Onicis 492: could be wrong, but I think you're the first person to
: suggest that it was a Jjaro outpost, let alone that this fact was the
: specific catalyst for war (I figured it was a bog-standard territorial
: dispute, with the actual Jjaro tech being found on Earth's moon later).

It seemed really weird to me that people would chose to fight over asteroids when there were so many just sitting around, it's like fighting over oxygen in a breathable atmosphere. Don't like your neighbors? Move somewhere else; you just got here in a spaceship.

: I don't think nine "normal" cyborgs would've been able to
: temporarily beat back the Pfhor down on the colony. Strauss explicitly
: states that there are ten battleroids hidden among the crew, and if you go
: by the same theory I do, all ten of 'em had Jjaro implants; the one you
: play as just activated theirs first.

Ooh. I had NOT thought of that. I assumed that the Pfhor would have continued to concentrate on the Marathon, and only make a token effort to take over the colony (thus making it relatively easy to mount a guerilla campaign with few but quite capable, and presumably well-armed, fighters). However, if there were ten cyborgs with Jjaro implants, why wouldn't Durandal teleport them aboard as well at the end of M1? You were ridiculously useful to him and VERY good at singlehandedly taking down empires, wouldn't nine others be all the more useful to him? The fact that he doesn't take them implies that he doesn't want or need them, presumably because they aren't as useful, i.e. ordinary cyborgs. They also don't seem to last "a thousand deaths", since Durandal only cites the "one enigma", instead of "ten enigmas".
(TL;DR: you seem like you're special in a couple ways, even over the other cyborgs)

: (This theory, I should probably elaborate on here: there's actually multiple
: generations of battleroids. The ones that wiped out Icarus and Thermopylae
: were first-gen, made entirely with human tech. Later on, MIDA obtains ten
: sets of Jjaro implants and tries to replicate them; this results in the
: second gen, most of whom went ballistic like the first. The ten
: battleroids on the Marathon were the ones who received the actual Jjaro
: implants and are stable. Then there's a third gen, which is entirely
: AU-based)

I ALSO didn't think of multiple generations of battleroids, or people trying to replicate the Jjaro tech (my theory was that your implant was... er... implanted as a kind of once-off, "because we needed more parts" type of quick-fix (which is odd because in mine own worldbuilding exercise something quite similar happens: some ancient brain implants are discovered, and after reverse engineering attempts with mixed results, the surviving original is implanted into a dude who was to be a 'general', and it is hinted that their personality isn't quite all theirs. The main difference was the vending machines, but I digress)

: I think it'd be more practical (or less
: complicated plot-wise) for Durandal to just peek through your helmet-cam.

: Aside from "I will be watching everything", I don't think there's
: anything to indicate that Durandal jumped inside your head for a bit.
: Might have to chalk it up to the same kinda writing oddity present at the
: start of Pathways into Darkness (you walk away unscathed from an impact
: that warped the barrel of your gun).

That actually has real-life precedent. There was a French soldier whose musket was hit dead-on with a cannonball. The musket was comically bent, but the soldier survived more or less unscathed. But that's irrelevant.
There isn't evidence Durandal jumped in your head "for a bit", I'm thinking that he attempts several times (or maybe does it gradually) to copypaste a version of himself into your Jjaro bits. There's this instance, the "sword-roland.transfer" and Tycho's quote later on.

: I'm thinking "mechanically-induced alternate/adjacent personality as a
: result of the battleroid conversion process", which could make for a
: good fic...

YES, exactly that, but this seems to be in the canon.

: An interesting possibility, though I think that it would've been emphasized
: more if that was what Durandal was attempting.

Again, this could be just one instance of a gradual process.

: wrt: dream level stuff: Something tells me that if an AI tried to expand
: inside a person's head/neural implants, it would swiftly result in dead
: human. Even Jjaro implants/neural computers/what have you might not have
: enough storage capacity. I do, however, suspect that having a comatose* AI
: in your head would still have some subconscious influences, so to speak.

: (* the state I figure Durandal is in until the SO merges him with Thoth. The
: only thing that could potentially be taken as Durandal communicating with
: the SO after "Hang Brain" is the Hangar 96 terminals [and
: there's still timey-wimey stuff going on there]. My friend Hokuto posits
: that said terminals are an expression of Durandal's post-Rampancy guilt
: over his earlier actions)

Hmmm. True. Ooh! maybe it's your Jjaro bits finally beginning to sift through your image of Durandal. Buy why wait 'till Eternal? Maybe Durandal really doesn't get around to downloading it until Infinity and I'm wrong about "sword-roland.transfer" and "I'll be watching everything", or those were merely foreshadowing, or maybe it's just the slowly increasing instability resulting from no less than three personalities (even if two of those are really only half-personalities, and the third is comatose or at least very crippled) in one skull.



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