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Re: some random thoughts
Posted By: scratskinnerDate: 9/16/17 11:01 a.m.

In Response To: Re: some random thoughts (Forrest of B.org)

: That is an interesting idea, but I don't think there would really be time for
: it, since Xio is super busy with trying to save humanity and then dying
: pretty much from the moment he learns Metis is on Mars until the end.

This might be backing away from the whole "Virtuality hardware exists elsewhere than Earth" thing, but perhaps just the interview with Metis's client (I assume it's taking place in his investigation of Metis's disappearance) is enough to indicate that people other than him can get admin access without his knowledge (hiding his presence from the rest of Virtuality, disabling/subverting access to "magic", other nasty things), and this inspires efforts later on, when he's buried under rubble, to patch this up. These efforts would help play a part in instigating his own overthrow by the queens of Ice and Fire.

: Those are the details I'm embarrassingly unclear on, but thanks for asking
: about them, as it helps to hear other people ask questions like that, gets
: the gears churning in the back of my mind trying to come up with answers.

: I'm not sure what Vis's age has to do with Sue's ghost grooming her, but Vis
: is the vampire who turned Sue, so she's definitely already an adult by the
: time Sue's a ghost, if you're thinking Sue might've influenced her as a
: child. I do kinda like the idea of the ghosts of Tom and Sue leading Vis
: to her plan, but it doesn't really work because (before reincarnating and
: losing their memories) Tom and Sue would've known that Vis's plan was a
: terrible one. Vis isn't old enough to remember the world before the
: falling of the Darklight, she only knows the fragments of stories passed
: down as prophecy, and thinks that freeing the Queen of Hell (which epithet
: she doesn't even know) will help somehow save the world. Of course, she
: turns out to be completely wrong, and dies for it, along with the rest of
: the world, which she had no way of expecting, and neither did Murdock or
: his sister, but if they had had their memories as Tom and Sue they
: would've seen that coming a mile away and not let it happen.

So what's all that business in The Meantime of the Darklight about then?

: Only if some other of the first generation of corrupted avatars had refused
: to reincarnate, and so had their original memories still in ghost form.
: Which doesn't seem to have happened.

How would Tom and Sue know?

: I do still need to figure out exactly what it was that made Tom and Xiuying
: so unique as to be the only people who kept far away enough from the
: gem-bearers that they were not corrupted. And also to figure out a way to
: tell their stories during the Falling of the Darklight, when what was
: unique about them in that time period was staying the hell away from
: everywhere the story action is taking place.

Perhaps they did did get corrupted, a little bit, and they managed to "work it off"? like, previous experience in character-building is paying off, because somehow, metaphysically, that reverses the effects? (They get permakilled later because they didn't have enough time to detox.)

(Perhaps it could be required that you know or remember what being uncorrupted is like to be uncorrupted again. It's kind of like how, under the old system, you could qualify for a higher level, but that qualification would be useless without knowing how to get there, or that it existed. If, hypothetically, a reincarnated corrupt avatar did the requisite character dev, and gained experiences of that uncorrupted form...)

(Also, it would appear you have Murdock under the influence of one of the gems growing up. Would someone killing him while still under that influence have left him unable to regenerate?)

Alternately, perhaps they have some sort of scrying device? Or maybe it's when they're Tom and Deedee, and they're going over what Metis was able to recover of the early days? (Justification being "Couldn't find your memories from this era, anything look familiar to you?")

: Ghosts can't really stop other ghosts from doing things, because they're
: incorporeal and shadowy even to each other. I'm not sure I understand your
: question about worthiness besides the answer I gave about Dwarves, or an
: unhelpful "it's up to the individual ghosts I guess".

I was thinking more... there's prejudice against this person (or this sort of person) widespread enough and potent enough (and unquestioned enough) they can't have kids, because that prejudice carries over death. (Depending on how widely-known knowledge about reincarnation is, any kids they do end up with (rare stragglers either from out of range of that prejudice, or too far gone to care) might end up targeted because "anyone willingly being born to them is probably evil")

This sort of thing probably gets more common the less "pure" corrupted avatars get, as Elves keep to their station too much for any need to keep lowborn souls from the upper crust (or highborn out of poverty), and Vampires are too empathetic to try and deny anyone a new life.

: Ghosts can't really run out, because people are always dying. The
: reincarnation system does put a fixed upper limit on the population of the
: world though. Nobody can be born until someone else dies, and then gets
: tired of being dead. But people are dying all the time, and being dead
: really sucks, so it's not really hard to keep replacement-level birth
: rates up indefinitely.

Hmm... Are there any localized shortages of ghosts? like, nobody wants to live in place X, so nobody in place X can bear children? or no ghosts outside place X can find it, so there's a discoverable de-facto cap of children that can be born there?

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                                                                                                                                                                                         Re: Virtuality Immanent: Part 2Forrest of B.org 11/20/17 10:40 a.m.
                                                                                                                                                                                               Re: Virtuality Immanent: Part 2General-RADIX 11/20/17 1:51 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                                 Virtuality Immanent: Part 3Forrest of B.org 11/16/17 9:57 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                                       Re: Virtuality Immanent: Part 3scratskinner 11/17/17 12:38 a.m.
                                                                                                                                                                       Re: Virtuality Immanent: Part 3General-RADIX 11/17/17 7:15 a.m.
                                                                                                                                                                       Re: Virtuality Immanent: Part 3VikingBoyBilly 11/17/17 12:35 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                                             Re: Virtuality Immanent: Part 3Forrest of B.org 11/17/17 3:23 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                                                   Re: Virtuality Immanent: Part 3VikingBoyBilly 11/17/17 6:06 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                                                         Re: Virtuality Immanent: Part 3Forrest of B.org 11/17/17 10:05 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                                       Re: Virtuality Immanent: Part 3nevets01 11/17/17 12:46 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                                       The Chronicles of Quelouva are DONE! (ish)Forrest of B.org 12/29/17 8:31 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                                             Re: The Chronicles of Quelouva are DONE! (ish)General-RADIX 12/30/17 1:47 a.m.
     some random thoughtsscratskinner 9/9/17 12:29 a.m.
           Re: some random thoughtsForrest of B.org 9/9/17 8:40 a.m.
                 Re: some random thoughtsscratskinner 9/10/17 2:19 a.m.
                       Re: some random thoughtsForrest of B.org 9/11/17 9:35 a.m.
                             Re: some random thoughtsscratskinner 9/12/17 5:14 p.m.
                                   Re: some random thoughtsForrest of B.org 9/12/17 6:24 p.m.
                                         Re: some random thoughtsscratskinner 9/14/17 7:53 p.m.
                                               Re: some random thoughtsForrest of B.org 9/14/17 10:13 p.m.
                                                     Re: some random thoughtsscratskinner 9/16/17 11:01 a.m.
                                                           Re: some random thoughtsForrest of B.org 9/16/17 2:56 p.m.
                                                                 Re: some random thoughtsscratskinner 9/17/17 12:13 p.m.
                                                                       Re: some random thoughtsForrest of B.org 9/18/17 8:10 a.m.
                             Re: some random thoughts 2bscratskinner 9/16/17 9:12 a.m.
                                   Re: some random thoughts 2bForrest of B.org 9/16/17 2:58 p.m.
                                         Re: some random thoughts 2bscratskinner 9/17/17 12:31 p.m.
                                               Re: some random thoughts 2bForrest of B.org 9/18/17 7:41 a.m.
           Re: some random thoughtsForrest of B.org 9/11/17 3:37 p.m.
           Re: some random thoughtsForrest of B.org 9/14/17 1:55 p.m.
     Re: The Chronicles of QuelouvaGeneral-RADIX 9/11/17 8:02 p.m.
     Re: The Chronicles of QuelouvaForrest of B.org 9/28/17 9:43 p.m.
           Re: The Chronicles of Quelouvascratskinner 9/30/17 1:11 a.m.
                 Re: The Chronicles of QuelouvaForrest of B.org 10/2/17 9:56 a.m.
                       Re: The Chronicles of Quelouvascratskinner 10/7/17 12:53 p.m.
                             Re: The Chronicles of QuelouvaForrest of B.org 10/9/17 3:14 p.m.
                                   Re: The Chronicles of Quelouvascratskinner 10/17/17 6:38 p.m.
                                         Re: The Chronicles of QuelouvaForrest of B.org 10/17/17 8:23 p.m.
     Re: The Chronicles of QuelouvaTycho 10/22/17 4:14 p.m.
           Re: The Chronicles of Quelouvanevets01 10/23/17 7:42 a.m.
           Re: The Chronicles of QuelouvaForrest of B.org 10/23/17 10:41 a.m.
     Re: The Chronicles of QuelouvaForrest of B.org 10/26/17 10:49 p.m.
           Re: The Chronicles of Quelouvascratskinner 10/27/17 1:34 a.m.
                 Re: The Chronicles of QuelouvaForrest of B.org 10/27/17 8:32 a.m.
     Re: Virtuality Transcendent: Part 3 *MOVED*scratskinner 11/9/17 10:50 p.m.
           Re: Virtuality Transcendent: Part 3 *MOVED*Forrest of B.org 11/10/17 8:39 a.m.
                 Re: Virtuality Transcendent: Part 3 *MOVED*scratskinner 12/21/17 12:48 p.m.
                       noticed you've updated while doing some factchecksscratskinner 12/21/17 2:26 p.m.
                       Re: Virtuality Transcendent: Part 3 *MOVED*Forrest of B.org 12/21/17 3:48 p.m.
     Re: The Chronicles of QuelouvaForrest of B.org 11/22/17 12:18 p.m.
           Future Perfect expandedForrest of B.org 11/29/17 10:00 p.m.
     Re: The Chronicles of QuelouvaForrest of B.org 12/7/17 9:30 a.m.
           Re: The Chronicles of QuelouvaGeneral-RADIX 12/7/17 9:43 a.m.
                 Re: The Chronicles of QuelouvaForrest of B.org 12/7/17 10:24 a.m.
                       Re: The Chronicles of Quelouvascratskinner 12/8/17 7:22 p.m.
                             Re: The Chronicles of QuelouvaForrest of B.org 12/9/17 8:19 a.m.
                                   Re: The Chronicles of QuelouvaForrest of B.org 12/13/17 9:10 a.m.
                                         Re: The Chronicles of QuelouvaGeneral-RADIX 12/13/17 3:18 p.m.
                                         Re: The Chronicles of QuelouvaYossarian 12/15/17 9:58 p.m.
                                         Re: The Chronicles of Quelouvascratskinner 12/16/17 1:22 p.m.
                                               Re: The Chronicles of QuelouvaForrest of B.org 12/18/17 12:56 p.m.

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