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Re: Marathon speedrunning

Posted By: aperturegrillz Date: 6/30/16 2:18 p.m.
In Response To: Re: Marathon speedrunning (Martin)

: A good watch, and I like that you did commentary too, good multitasking! The
: Blasphemy and Bob-B-Q shortcuts in particular were crazy to see in
: practice. That Bob-B-Q lift jump was another one made really difficult by
: lag back in the day.
Thanks -- I've gotten used to doing commentary while playing from streaming a lot of Tetris the Grand Master, an arcade game I play. You can tell that I have trouble holding a train of thought, though, because I'm trying to focus on playing. I frequently start some sentence, get distracted midway through because I have to pay attention to the game, then completely forget what I was saying :P
: Surprising you were still quite a way off the time of the other you linked,
: and that he still made costly mistakes; maybe 29 mins wouldn't be out of
: the question based on that, no pressure ;).
I would love sub-30 minutes :) it's going to be pretty tough, though. If you compare our splits, the time I lose is pretty spread out across the levels, except for Colony Ship, where I lost nearly 2 minutes because I had to retry the pillars climb. My Sum Of Best is 33:28 which should be pretty doable given the nature of the game, and I think even my best splits on a lot of levels are not very optimized.
: TC really is going to be
: another story though, especially for elimination levels - especially for
: Try again!
I think Try Again will actually be pretty doable because there's not a lot of close-quarters fighting, you have easy access to 3X shields, and there's a ton of ammo available for your strongest weapons. Also, the Juggernaut AI on TC is weird, they seem to actually be less accurate with their rockets than on lower difficulties.
: Finally, the Wasps really are incredibly annoying, even on Kindergarten!
Yes, yes they are. Lookers too. I don't mind at all that they didn't revive those enemies for M2.
I discovered a few other things about the game recently which are... interesting.
One is that all the shots in the game have semi-random damage - they have some base value, and then a random additional amount of damage. For instance, a grenade does 80 base damage plus up to 20 more (one bar of health is 150 points). From experimentation, it appears that the amount of knockback a shot does is proportional to how much damage it dealt, which means that how much height you get from a grenade jump is actually semi-random! This helps explain why the Colony Ship climb is hard to do consistently.
The other thing I found out is that, according to the Pfhorte Handbook (I need to test this myself), 'Extermination' levels can be completed with up to 8 enemies left alive on the map. This explains why I've been able to finish The Rose and Pfhoraphobia without actually killing everything. Unfortunately, the spawns on each level are semi-random so I think it'll be hard to fully exploit this.

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: Thanks -- I've gotten used to doing commentary while playing from streaming a : lot of Tetris the Grand Master, an arcade game I play. You can tell that I : have trouble holding a train of thought, though, because I'm trying to : focus on playing. I frequently start some sentence, get distracted midway : through because I have to pay attention to the game, then completely : forget what I was saying :P : I would love sub-30 minutes :) it's going to be pretty tough, though. If you : compare our splits, the time I lose is pretty spread out across the : levels, except for Colony Ship, where I lost nearly 2 minutes because I : had to retry the pillars climb. My Sum Of Best is 33:28 which should be : pretty doable given the nature of the game, and I think even my best : splits on a lot of levels are not very optimized. : I think Try Again will actually be pretty doable because there's not a lot of : close-quarters fighting, you have easy access to 3X shields, and there's a : ton of ammo available for your strongest weapons. Also, the Juggernaut AI : on TC is weird, they seem to actually be less accurate with their rockets : than on lower difficulties. : Yes, yes they are. Lookers too. I don't mind at all that they didn't revive : those enemies for M2. : I discovered a few other things about the game recently which are... : interesting. : One is that all the shots in the game have semi-random damage - they have : some base value, and then a random additional amount of damage. For : instance, a grenade does 80 base damage plus up to 20 more (one bar of : health is 150 points). From experimentation, it appears that the amount of : knockback a shot does is proportional to how much damage it dealt, which : means that how much height you get from a grenade jump is actually : semi-random! This helps explain why the Colony Ship climb is hard to do : consistently. : The other thing I found out is that, according to the Pfhorte Handbook (I : need to test this myself), 'Extermination' levels can be completed with up : to 8 enemies left alive on the map. This explains why I've been able to : finish The Rose and Pfhoraphobia without actually killing everything. : Unfortunately, the spawns on each level are semi-random so I think it'll : be hard to fully exploit this.

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Marathon speedrunning	aperturegrillz	6/23/16 8:24 p.m.
Re: Marathon speedrunning	Martin	6/23/16 10:12 p.m.
Re: Marathon speedrunning	Cody Miller	7/22/16 10:19 a.m.
Re: Marathon speedrunning	VikingBoyBilly	6/24/16 1:33 a.m.
Re: Marathon speedrunning	XaleManix	6/24/16 5:32 a.m.
Re: Marathon speedrunning	aperturegrillz	6/24/16 6:43 a.m.
Re: Marathon speedrunning	XaleManix	6/24/16 7:55 a.m.
Re: Marathon speedrunning	PerseusSpartacus	6/27/16 6:23 a.m.
Re: Marathon speedrunning	XaleManix	6/27/16 5:02 p.m.
Re: Marathon speedrunning	aperturegrillz	6/27/16 6:47 p.m.
Re: Marathon speedrunning	Martin	6/27/16 7:59 p.m.
Re: Marathon speedrunning	aperturegrillz	6/27/16 9:58 p.m.
Re: Marathon speedrunning	Martin	6/28/16 12:25 p.m.
Re: Marathon speedrunning	VikingBoyBilly	6/28/16 3:55 p.m.
Re: Marathon speedrunning	Cody Miller	7/22/16 10:24 a.m.
Re: Marathon speedrunning	Cody Miller	7/22/16 10:21 a.m.
Re: Marathon speedrunning	Dispatcher	6/24/16 3:13 p.m.
Re: Marathon speedrunning	aperturegrillz	6/27/16 11:09 a.m.
Re: Marathon speedrunning	aperturegrillz	6/27/16 11:38 a.m.
Re: Marathon speedrunning	aperturegrillz	6/28/16 6:04 p.m.
Re: Marathon speedrunning	Martin	6/29/16 10:49 a.m.
Re: Marathon speedrunning	aperturegrillz	6/30/16 2:18 p.m.
Re: Marathon speedrunning	Cody Miller	8/1/16 10:41 a.m.
Re: Marathon speedrunning	aperturegrillz	8/1/16 3:13 p.m.
Re: Marathon speedrunning	VikingBoyBilly	8/1/16 3:41 p.m.
Re: Marathon speedrunning	Martin	8/2/16 2:08 p.m.
Re: Marathon speedrunning	aperturegrillz	7/3/16 12:59 a.m.
Re: Marathon speedrunning	Martin	7/3/16 2:22 p.m.
Re: Marathon speedrunning	aperturegrillz	7/30/16 5:03 p.m.
Re: Marathon speedrunning	tbcr	7/21/16 8:46 a.m.
Re: Marathon speedrunning	tbcr	8/4/16 9:26 p.m.
Re: Marathon speedrunning	tbcr	8/6/16 9:46 p.m.
Re: Marathon speedrunning	aperturegrillz	2/12/17 11:26 a.m.
Re: Pathways Into Speedrunning	aperturegrillz	2/12/17 11:01 p.m.
Re: Pathways Into Speedrunning	DeChief	2/16/17 2:24 a.m.



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	Message: : Thanks -- I've gotten used to doing commentary while playing from streaming a : lot of Tetris the Grand Master, an arcade game I play. You can tell that I : have trouble holding a train of thought, though, because I'm trying to : focus on playing. I frequently start some sentence, get distracted midway : through because I have to pay attention to the game, then completely : forget what I was saying :P : I would love sub-30 minutes :) it's going to be pretty tough, though. If you : compare our splits, the time I lose is pretty spread out across the : levels, except for Colony Ship, where I lost nearly 2 minutes because I : had to retry the pillars climb. My Sum Of Best is 33:28 which should be : pretty doable given the nature of the game, and I think even my best : splits on a lot of levels are not very optimized. : I think Try Again will actually be pretty doable because there's not a lot of : close-quarters fighting, you have easy access to 3X shields, and there's a : ton of ammo available for your strongest weapons. Also, the Juggernaut AI : on TC is weird, they seem to actually be less accurate with their rockets : than on lower difficulties. : Yes, yes they are. Lookers too. I don't mind at all that they didn't revive : those enemies for M2. : I discovered a few other things about the game recently which are... : interesting. : One is that all the shots in the game have semi-random damage - they have : some base value, and then a random additional amount of damage. For : instance, a grenade does 80 base damage plus up to 20 more (one bar of : health is 150 points). From experimentation, it appears that the amount of : knockback a shot does is proportional to how much damage it dealt, which : means that how much height you get from a grenade jump is actually : semi-random! This helps explain why the Colony Ship climb is hard to do : consistently. : The other thing I found out is that, according to the Pfhorte Handbook (I : need to test this myself), 'Extermination' levels can be completed with up : to 8 enemies left alive on the map. This explains why I've been able to : finish The Rose and Pfhoraphobia without actually killing everything. : Unfortunately, the spawns on each level are semi-random so I think it'll : be hard to fully exploit this.
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