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Posted By: Narcogen | Date: 9/5/13 5:44 a.m. | |
In Response To: Re: Try Again (PerseusSpartacus) : : I find your lack of faith disturbingd : Because I have little better to do, I'll explain a little bit of why I
: 1) The characters are shallow, to say the least. A better description would
I can completely sympathize, although conversely one might say "archetypical" or "broadly drawn" if one were in a charitable state of mind. On this point one has to draw a line in the sand between the two trilogies, though. As with most things. : 2) It's space fantasy. I don't really like space fantasy, especially space
I've heard people say this before... but I can't wrap my head around it really. There seems to be a strange sort of prejudice that favors fantasy about the past (or something that looks like the past, whether it is or not) and science fiction about the future. Star Wars, though, of course, is actually the past-- the first crawl says so. Once one accepts that the genre is fantasy and not science fiction-- and Star Wars is not SF in any way, shape, or fashion-- why does fantasy have to mean swords and sorcery? Why can't mystical wizards consort with robots and use laser swords? The fantasy genre usually adds, not subtracts, from the worlds it modifies. A fantasy world is not a world in which science does not operate (or, rather, a world where physical laws do not apply) but rather a world in which those laws are radically different, often in ways in which the characters themselves barely understand and exhibit significant superstition about. Personally I had little problem with the Force until they tried to make it into science (which is isn't) with "midichlorians" and a hand-wave. : 3) A lot of elements in Star Wars are inexplicable, unreasonable, or
Faster than light travel? Probably impossible. Just about every bit of popular SF I can think of in almost any format seriously violates the law of conservation of mass and energy. Just about every popular film set in space that I can think of violates some or all of those rules with some exceptions-- 2001, for instance, and perhaps Apollo 13. : 4) Star Wars was one of the earliest examples of films that decided to
Oh, come on, you're overreaching. Lawrence Kasdan not a good writer? Come on, look down on popular entertainment if you like (or on the prequels, you'll hear no defense from me) but episodes IV and V are actually fairly well-written, at least structurally. Now, the dialogue is a different story... : 5) The title? Absolutely atrocious. It's about a war in the stars; Star
Short, simple, memorable, classic. What it is not, of course, is cryptic-- Halo, Marathon, Myth. Let's not kid ourselves, Lucas is not particularly deep and is not generally interested in mysteries. Sometimes that's a good thing, though, as right now I'm about ready to strangle Abrams, Orci, Kurtzman, Lindelof & company. : All in all, I just feel like Star Wars is 'dumb' sci-fi. I would immediately
Oh, absolutely! There might be those who might argue the other way but I have trouble imagining who they are. Star Wars is most decidedly not SF at all. It's fantasy that borrows some visual elements more commonly seen in SF, nothing more. Star Trek edges a tiny bit closer towards true SF, but I don't think anybody would call it hard SF like you'd expect from Clarke, Asimov, or Niven. Clarke and Niven don't seem to get their stuff made into TV or movies that often, and the stuff of Asimov's that does reach the screen-- well, I wish it hadn't.
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Try Again *LINK* | PerseusSpartacus | 9/4/13 9:41 a.m. | |
Re: Try Again | ukimalefu | 9/4/13 11:14 a.m. | |
Re: Try Again | PerseusSpartacus | 9/4/13 12:05 p.m. | |
Re: Try Again | treellama | 9/5/13 4:14 a.m. | |
Re: Try Again | PerseusSpartacus | 9/5/13 9:33 a.m. | |
Re: Try Again | treellama | 9/6/13 4:38 a.m. | |
Re: Try Again | PerseusSpartacus | 9/6/13 7:50 a.m. | |
Re: Try Again | Narcogen | 9/6/13 8:17 a.m. | |
Re: Try Again | treellama | 9/6/13 9:51 a.m. | |
Re: Try Again | PerseusSpartacus | 9/6/13 12:10 p.m. | |
wrote everyone's favourite mythical beast *NM* | patrick | 9/5/13 11:33 a.m. | |
Re: Try Again | Narcogen | 9/5/13 5:44 a.m. | |
Re: Try Again | Bob-B-Q | 9/5/13 9:41 a.m. | |
Re: Try Again | Martin | 9/4/13 1:23 p.m. | |
Re: Try Again | PerseusSpartacus | 9/4/13 1:38 p.m. | |
Re: Try Again | Martin | 9/4/13 1:53 p.m. | |
Re: Try Again | FiddlerOnARoof | 9/10/13 7:47 p.m. | |
Re: Try Again | PerseusSpartacus | 9/10/13 8:05 p.m. | |
Re: Try Again | Narcogen | 9/10/13 8:42 p.m. | |
Re: Try Again | CB557 | 9/11/13 9:48 a.m. | |
Re: Try Again | CB557 | 9/11/13 1:27 a.m. | |
Re: Try Again | PerseusSpartacus | 9/11/13 4:24 p.m. | |
Re: Try Again | CB557 | 9/12/13 12:46 a.m. | |
Re: Try Again | PerseusSpartacus | 9/12/13 10:49 a.m. | |
Re: Try Again | CB557 | 9/12/13 10:55 a.m. | |
Re: Try Again | PerseusSpartacus | 9/12/13 3:27 p.m. |
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