Re: Beta 3 Testing (was: Aleph One 1.1b3)


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Re: Beta 3 Testing (was: Aleph One 1.1b3)

Posted By: Antarctico Date: 8/18/13 8:56 a.m.
In Response To: Re: Beta 3 Testing (was: Aleph One 1.1b3) (Hopper)

: I ran through this trap in Aleph One with the debugger. My compilers
: activated when an Enforcer fired at me from the western glue polygon,
: shortly after springing the trap. If a monster is standing on a glue
: polygon, their sounds can propagate out, and I think that's the way to get
: compilers going.
: Armed with that knowledge (and little else), I tried to wake them in the
: original, by running straight up to that far door to get attacked straight
: away. It's suicide, but there's no way I can vid the trap and survive. I
: did not see any compilers in my attempts, although I did get them in a
: cut-down version of the level with fewer monsters. My guess is, the
: compilers try to wake up, but in the original there's too much activity
: and they don't get a chance to start moving around.
: If my guess is correct, then, you could wake the compilers if you clear out
: some of the other critters, and then get lucky enough to have an Enforcer
: or projectile Pfhor still hanging around near the big room. Then that
: monster could fire or scream from the glue poly, which would filter down
: to the compilers. If they're closer to the level start, or still inside
: their room, the glue poly would block the noise and the compilers would
: stay asleep.
: I'm nowhere near good enough to vid that scenario, but if someone else wants
: to try, more power to you! :)
After a stupid number of tries -- really, do NOT get me started on just how bad the mouse controls are in the original game -- I ran through this trap successfully a couple different ways. For both ways, I opened the first monster closet and cleared everything out in an attempt to test the theory that it was the number of active monsters in the original game that made the Compilers less likely to activate prematurely.
First, I walked over the trigger to the closets, turned and ran back to just past the first closet, and waited for the Pfhor to come to me before firing. There were no early Compiler activations. The second way I tried was to trigger the trap and stand my ground, firing until the contents of the second closet were cleared out, then fall back to collect a replacement Alien Weapon. About half the time the Compilers would stay put, and the other half they would activate early and be part of the pack of staff Fighters coming out of the side corridor. I have film of one of these second technique runs with the Compilers activating early if anyone cares to see it. This is not a vidmaster beauty run -- it is fugly!
By clearing out the first closet in advance, my experience in the original game is similar to that of beta 3, but I would not be able to declare that the two experiences were identical. Clearly the Compilers do seem more likely to come up early, probably as a result of a more alert Enforcer, possibly caused by having fewer active critters when the trap is sprung, but this theory requires more testing.
OK, I've done my thing, time to go make a pitcher of frozen adult beverages!

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: After a stupid number of tries -- really, do NOT get me started on just how : bad the mouse controls are in the original game -- I ran through this trap : successfully a couple different ways. For both ways, I opened the first : monster closet and cleared everything out in an attempt to test the theory : that it was the number of active monsters in the original game that made : the Compilers less likely to activate prematurely. : First, I walked over the trigger to the closets, turned and ran back to just : past the first closet, and waited for the Pfhor to come to me before : firing. There were no early Compiler activations. The second way I tried : was to trigger the trap and stand my ground, firing until the contents of : the second closet were cleared out, then fall back to collect a : replacement Alien Weapon. About half the time the Compilers would stay : put, and the other half they would activate early and be part of the pack : of staff Fighters coming out of the side corridor. I have film of one of : these second technique runs with the Compilers activating early if anyone : cares to see it. This is not a vidmaster beauty run -- it is fugly! : By clearing out the first closet in advance, my experience in the original : game is similar to that of beta 3, but I would not be able to declare that : the two experiences were identical. Clearly the Compilers do seem more : likely to come up early, probably as a result of a more alert Enforcer, : possibly caused by having fewer active critters when the trap is sprung, : but this theory requires more testing. : OK, I've done my thing, time to go make a pitcher of frozen adult beverages!

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Aleph One 1.1b3	treellama	8/13/13 5:31 p.m.
Re: Aleph One 1.1b3	poena.dare	8/13/13 5:40 p.m.
Re: Aleph One 1.1b3	PerseusSpartacus	8/13/13 7:36 p.m.
Re: Aleph One 1.1b3	treellama	8/14/13 4:22 a.m.
Re: Aleph One 1.1b3	PerseusSpartacus	8/14/13 8:26 a.m.
Re: Aleph One 1.1b3	Antarctico	8/13/13 11:50 p.m.
Re: Aleph One 1.1b3	Godot	8/14/13 4:44 a.m.
Re: Aleph One 1.1b3	Antarctico	8/14/13 6:09 a.m.
Beta 3 Testing (was: Aleph One 1.1b3)	Antarctico	8/14/13 12:57 a.m.
Re: Beta 3 Testing (was: Aleph One 1.1b3)	Antarctico	8/14/13 1:38 a.m.
Re: Beta 3 Testing (was: Aleph One 1.1b3)	treellama	8/14/13 3:41 a.m.
Re: Beta 3 Testing (was: Aleph One 1.1b3)	Godot	8/14/13 4:32 a.m.
Re: Beta 3 Testing (was: Aleph One 1.1b3)	Antarctico	8/14/13 4:41 a.m.
Re: Beta 3 Testing (was: Aleph One 1.1b3)	Godot	8/14/13 4:04 a.m.
Re: Beta 3 Testing (was: Aleph One 1.1b3)	Godot	8/14/13 12:24 p.m.
Re: Beta 3 Testing (was: Aleph One 1.1b3)	Antarctico	8/14/13 2:37 p.m.
Re: Beta 3 Testing (was: Aleph One 1.1b3)	Godot	8/14/13 11:13 p.m.
Re: Beta 3 Testing (was: Aleph One 1.1b3)	Antarctico	8/16/13 5:48 p.m.
Memory Is A Funny Thing (was: Beta 3 Testing...)	Antarctico	8/16/13 6:24 p.m.
Re: Beta 3 Testing (was: Aleph One 1.1b3)	Godot	8/16/13 10:32 p.m.
Re: Beta 3 Testing (was: Aleph One 1.1b3)	Hopper	8/16/13 7:14 a.m.
Re: Beta 3 Testing (was: Aleph One 1.1b3)	PerseusSpartacus	8/16/13 7:20 a.m.
Re: Beta 3 Testing (was: Aleph One 1.1b3)	Godot	8/16/13 7:44 a.m.
Re: Beta 3 Testing (was: Aleph One 1.1b3)	Hopper	8/17/13 9:52 a.m.
Re: Beta 3 Testing (was: Aleph One 1.1b3)	Godot	8/17/13 10:43 a.m.
Re: Beta 3 Testing (was: Aleph One 1.1b3)	Godot	8/17/13 10:55 a.m.
Re: Beta 3 Testing (was: Aleph One 1.1b3)	treellama	8/17/13 11:12 a.m.
Re: Beta 3 Testing (was: Aleph One 1.1b3)	Hopper	8/17/13 11:37 a.m.
Re: Beta 3 Testing (was: Aleph One 1.1b3)	Godot	8/17/13 12:08 p.m.
Re: Beta 3 Testing (was: Aleph One 1.1b3)	Dr. John Sumner	8/18/13 2:41 a.m.
Re: Beta 3 Testing (was: Aleph One 1.1b3)	Godot	8/18/13 3:04 a.m.
Re: Beta 3 Testing (was: Aleph One 1.1b3)	Dr. John Sumner	8/18/13 3:19 a.m.
Re: Beta 3 Testing (was: Aleph One 1.1b3)	Godot	8/18/13 3:41 a.m.
Re: Beta 3 Testing (was: Aleph One 1.1b3)	Dr. John Sumner	8/18/13 4:09 a.m.
Re: Beta 3 Testing (was: Aleph One 1.1b3)	Hopper	8/18/13 8:01 a.m.
Re: Beta 3 Testing (was: Aleph One 1.1b3)	Dr. John Sumner	8/18/13 8:33 a.m.
OK. I Think I'm On To Something (was: Beta 3 Test)	Antarctico	8/18/13 6:33 p.m.
Re: OK. I Think I'm On To Something (was: Beta 3 T	Hopper	8/18/13 9:27 p.m.
Re: OK. I Think I'm On To Something (was: Beta 3 T	Antarctico	8/19/13 12:57 a.m.
Re: Beta 3 Testing (was: Aleph One 1.1b3)	Antarctico	8/18/13 6:35 p.m.
Re: Beta 3 Testing (was: Aleph One 1.1b3)	Antarctico	8/18/13 8:27 a.m.
Re: Beta 3 Testing (was: Aleph One 1.1b3)	Antarctico	8/17/13 1:22 p.m.
Re: Beta 3 Testing (was: Aleph One 1.1b3)	Antarctico	8/18/13 8:56 a.m.
Re: Beta 3 Testing (was: Aleph One 1.1b3)	PerseusSpartacus	8/14/13 12:08 p.m.
Re: Beta 3 Testing (was: Aleph One 1.1b3)	PerseusSpartacus	8/15/13 1:52 p.m.
Re: Aleph One 1.1b3	Godot	8/14/13 4:03 a.m.
Re: Aleph One 1.1b3	poena.dare	8/14/13 5:01 a.m.
Re: Aleph One 1.1b3	Antarctico	8/14/13 6:10 a.m.
Re: Aleph One 1.1b3	Godot	8/14/13 9:05 a.m.
Re: Aleph One 1.1b3	Godot	8/14/13 7:22 a.m.
One Man's Canon Is Another's PITA (long)	Antarctico	8/14/13 9:18 p.m.
Re: One Man's Canon Is Another's PITA (long)	treellama	8/15/13 4:22 a.m.
Re: One Man's Canon Is Another's PITA (long)	Godot	8/15/13 4:53 a.m.
Re: One Man's Canon Is Another's PITA (long)	Dr. John Sumner	8/15/13 5:29 a.m.
Re: One Man's Canon Is Another's PITA (long)	Godot	8/15/13 5:52 a.m.
Re: One Man's Canon Is Another's PITA (long)	treellama	8/15/13 6:08 a.m.
Re: One Man's Canon Is Another's PITA (long)	Godot	8/15/13 6:27 a.m.
Re: One Man's Canon Is Another's PITA (long)	treellama	8/15/13 6:45 a.m.
Re: One Man's Canon Is Another's PITA (long)	Godot	8/15/13 7:13 a.m.
Re: One Man's Canon Is Another's PITA (long)	PerseusSpartacus	8/15/13 7:23 a.m.
Re: One Man's Canon Is Another's PITA (long)	Hopper	8/16/13 11:03 a.m.
Re: One Man's Canon Is Another's PITA (long)	Antarctico	8/16/13 2:29 p.m.
Re: One Man's Canon Is Another's PITA (long)	Godot	8/16/13 11:04 p.m.
Re: One Man's Canon Is Another's PITA (long)	Godot	8/16/13 11:15 p.m.
Re: One Man's Canon Is Another's PITA (long)	treellama	8/17/13 10:57 a.m.
Re: One Man's Canon Is Another's PITA (long)	treellama	8/15/13 5:56 a.m.
Re: One Man's Canon Is Another's PITA (long)	Dr. John Sumner	8/15/13 6:27 a.m.
Re: One Man's Canon Is Another's PITA (long)	Godot	8/15/13 6:35 a.m.
Re: One Man's Canon Is Another's PITA (long)	Antarctico	8/16/13 2:48 p.m.
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Re: One Man's Canon Is Another's PITA (long)	Antarctico	8/16/13 2:12 p.m.



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	Message: : After a stupid number of tries -- really, do NOT get me started on just how : bad the mouse controls are in the original game -- I ran through this trap : successfully a couple different ways. For both ways, I opened the first : monster closet and cleared everything out in an attempt to test the theory : that it was the number of active monsters in the original game that made : the Compilers less likely to activate prematurely. : First, I walked over the trigger to the closets, turned and ran back to just : past the first closet, and waited for the Pfhor to come to me before : firing. There were no early Compiler activations. The second way I tried : was to trigger the trap and stand my ground, firing until the contents of : the second closet were cleared out, then fall back to collect a : replacement Alien Weapon. About half the time the Compilers would stay : put, and the other half they would activate early and be part of the pack : of staff Fighters coming out of the side corridor. I have film of one of : these second technique runs with the Compilers activating early if anyone : cares to see it. This is not a vidmaster beauty run -- it is fugly! : By clearing out the first closet in advance, my experience in the original : game is similar to that of beta 3, but I would not be able to declare that : the two experiences were identical. Clearly the Compilers do seem more : likely to come up early, probably as a result of a more alert Enforcer, : possibly caused by having fewer active critters when the trap is sprung, : but this theory requires more testing. : OK, I've done my thing, time to go make a pitcher of frozen adult beverages!
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