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Re: Official Bungie Canon?
Posted By: Chris BibersteinDate: 12/12/06 12:37 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Official Bungie Canon? (Forrest of B.org)

: Given that the author of that plot has said that he intentionally made it
: complex and difficult to understand, that seems to imply that it is
: understandable; that is, there is something there to be understood. It's
: not just gibberish.

Put yourself in Bungie's shoes. You've made a game (MI) that, by rights, was gibberish. Since then, people have spent 10 years (and money!) trying to understand it. Are you *really* going to go out and say "yeah, it was all gibberish!".

Of course you woudln't. You'd claim that it was complex and difficult to understand. Instead of dashing people's hopes, you've given them the impression that there is something deeper to understand. They'll buy the other games, etc.

Peter Molyknew (I know its spelled wrong) did the same thing before Fable: The Lost Chapters came out. "Nobody, to my knowledge, has found the secret quest found in the Guild!". Never mind that there wasn't a secret quest. People spent time looking for it.

I like Marathon. I have my own pet ideas on what happened in M:I. Does it matter? Not a damned bit. Every drop of concrete that composes the basement of my idea is based on what a guy thought would sound cool when he put it in the game.

: But aside from the pretty metaphorical language in things like the dream
: levels, there is most definitely a real plot - that is, an ordered
: sequence of events - which happens in Infinity. It's difficult to follow,
: because it involves repeated time travel (which necessarily messes with
: our intuitive understanding of sequentiality), and more so because the
: storytelling mechanism (the game) doesn't always make it clear that time
: travel is happening at all, so even if you do easily understand
: time-travel stories you might not get that that's why this particular
: story seems so confusing at first. But once you understand that the story
: does involve time-travel, and how to tell when time-travel is happening in
: it, then you can pretty easily piece together the sequence of events in
: the game, and thus the plot becomes clear. It also helps a lot if you're
: intimately familiar with the plot of Marathon 2, because little references
: to those events help make clear just when in time you are.

Do you honestly believe I could find someone, have them play M:I, and come to the same conclusion?

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                                   uh, thanks...MrHen 12/11/06 6:01 p.m.
                             Re: Official Bungie Canon?Forrest of B.org 12/11/06 9:44 p.m.
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                                         Re: I like being confused...Forrest of B.org 12/12/06 3:53 p.m.
                                               Re: I like being confused...Frungi 12/12/06 5:51 p.m.
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                                         rabbit trail, sorry...MrHen 12/13/06 5:23 a.m.
                                               Re: rabbit trail, sorry...Chris Biberstein 12/13/06 4:29 p.m.
                                                     and the problem was... where?MrHen 12/13/06 7:06 p.m.
                                                           Re: and the problem was... where?Forrest of B.org 12/13/06 9:13 p.m.
                                                                 ah, my bad. I understand. :) *NM*MrHen 12/14/06 4:54 a.m.
                                                                       Re: ah, my bad. I understand. :)Forrest of B.org 12/14/06 1:22 p.m.
                                                                             I am the same way. ;)MrHen 12/15/06 5:18 a.m.
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                                                                                                     Actually, I think I did understand.MrHen 12/15/06 4:32 p.m.
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                                                                                                                 Oh, okay, then we do disagree.MrHen 12/17/06 6:50 p.m.
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                                                                                                                             so where do you get hyper-time?MrHen 12/18/06 5:13 a.m.
                                                                                                                                   Re: so where do you get hyper-time?Forrest of B.org 12/18/06 8:20 a.m.
                                                                                                                                         whoops... no... that is not what I meant.MrHen 12/18/06 9:49 a.m.
                                                                                                                                               Re: whoops... no... that is not what I meant.Forrest of B.org 12/18/06 1:58 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                     right, yeah, that is the identity problemMrHen 12/18/06 4:41 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                           Re: right, yeah, that is the identity problemForrest of B.org 12/18/06 9:55 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                                 ohhh...MrHen 12/19/06 5:44 a.m.
                                                                                                                                                                       Re: ohhh...Forrest of B.org 12/19/06 9:20 a.m.
                                                                                                                                                                             back to the math ;)MrHen 12/19/06 11:07 a.m.
                                                                                                                                                                                   Re: back to the math ;)Forrest of B.org 12/19/06 1:36 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                                                         wait, so my model is too... real? ;)MrHen 12/22/06 1:57 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                                                               Sort of.Forrest of B.org 12/22/06 3:22 p.m.
                                                                                                                                                                                                     and the light turns on...MrHen 1/7/07 4:41 p.m.
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                                                                                                                       So... do I have this right?MrHen 12/16/06 6:35 a.m.
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                                                                             Re: Official Bungie Canon?Forrest of B.org 12/15/06 1:39 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Official Bungie Canon?ukimalefu 12/15/06 6:29 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Official Bungie Canon?McNutcase 12/15/06 10:23 p.m.
                                                                       awesome, thanks! *NM*MrHen 12/16/06 6:49 a.m.
                                                           Re: Official Bungie Canon?Chris Biberstein 12/16/06 5:51 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Official Bungie Canon?kyjel 12/16/06 7:08 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Official Bungie Canon?Chris Biberstein 12/18/06 8:36 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Official Bungie Canon?Frungi 12/18/06 9:48 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Official Bungie Canon?Chris Biberstein 12/22/06 10:00 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: Official Bungie Canon?Forrest of B.org 12/22/06 10:19 a.m.
                                                                                         what he saidMrHen 12/22/06 12:38 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Official Bungie Canon?Shoeless 12/18/06 10:23 p.m.
                                                                 *sigh*MrHen 12/17/06 5:08 a.m.
                 Re: Official Bungie Canon?Frungi 12/11/06 3:35 p.m.
                       Re: Official Bungie Canon?Chris Biberstein 12/12/06 12:23 p.m.
                             Re: Official Bungie Canon?Shoeless 12/13/06 7:56 a.m.
                                   Re: Official Bungie Canon?Forrest of B.org 12/13/06 8:32 a.m.
                                         another example (albeit overused)MrHen 12/13/06 8:57 a.m.
     Re: The Garden of Forking Paths *LINK*irons 2/23/18 1:11 a.m.
           LOKE *NM*W'rkncacnter 2/23/18 4:06 p.m.
                 Re: LOKE *NM* *LINK*irons 2/23/18 4:14 p.m.
                       LOKE *NM* *NM* *NM* *NM* *NM* *LINK*W'rkncacnter 2/23/18 11:09 p.m.
                             Re: LOKE *NM* *LINK*irons 2/24/18 3:31 a.m.

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