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Re: Halo: Oni Revisited
Posted By: Dan Rudolph <Ace_of_Sevens@mac.com>	Date: 9/5/01 11:35 p.m.
In Response To: Halo: Oni Revisited (noddy99) : First, Oni. A game with huge potential, Oni was dumbed down to nab a : Teen rating for the PS2. Tekken-like flashes, total absence of blood -- in : my opinion the game was Bungie's biggest mistake. But surely, with : Halo, they will redeem themselves, as they should have done with Oni : while the Bungie fanbase was reeling from the whole : Microsoft-assimilation shock. Oni always had the flashes. You're right about them removing blood, but accordign to sources who played it, the blood made it harder how you hit someone. : But when I saw the Teen rating on Halo, my worst fears sprung from the : back of my brain and slapped me in the face. Bungie is dumbing down : Halo for the consoles as well. That must be it. No M could ever be a hit on a console. Resident Evil, Silent Hill, Perfect Dark and Metal Gear Solid were flukes. : But then my better sense kicked in. Look at Marathon and Myth. Those : games were of infinitely superior quality to Oni and sported lots of blood : and guts, realistically and not to the extreme of Soldier of Fortune. Bungie : wouldn't add colored flashes and invisible blood to Halo, the game : everyone has been dying to play for more than two years. If you think the gore in Myth was realistic, you must be on something. Balor must have just been a suit of armor filled with blood and a pump. : And while I know from the gameplay movies that there are, indeed, no : impact flashes and there are actually a few splats of blood, I feel that : Bungie is pushing for a Teen rating for the sole reason that more kids : would be allowed to buy a cool-looking Teen game than a cool-looking : Mature game. That's probably the main reeason, yeah. The more copies Halo sells, the more funding Bungie will be able to get for their next game. They likely have bonuses based on it as well. : I mean, what else could explain the vast difference between the levels of : gore in Myth and Halo? What if they had tried to get Myth a Teen rating? : Say goodbye to having any fun with dwarven grenades or satchel : charges, because there's no gibbing people around here, it's a family : game! Heck, wights probably wouldn't even be in the game at all! And : that Soulblighter fellow, he should wear a mask or something because : his skinless face could unsettle ten year olds. I can see we may have a : hard time encountering a villain of Balor's or Soulblighter's stature and : bad-assedness in Halo, so we can probably hope to see something like : Muro in the Covenant ranks. You can get away with a lot more than you think in a T. The no gore version of Myth II would have been a perfect candidate, with or without sarcastic stars. Someonething along those lines with a little blood would also have been acceptable. : In a Teen rated game, you have to make sure your content is not : objectionable, obviously. That means that you are going to have one hell : of a time scaring the player shitless, or make a longtime Halo fanboi : mutter "Awesome." Very few swear words in Teen rated games, : either. No siree bob, these battle hardened marines on the front lines : have squeaky clean mouths. "Dang, Johnny, they got me. Those fricking : sons of biscuits got me cornered in this poophole outnumbered twenty : to one. Oh, fudge, here they come." You've never played Shenmue, have you? You can do plenty in a T. It's roughly equivalent to a PG-13. Besides, the ESRB hardly ever even notices profanity and it's not liek any Bungie games have had much so far. : Don't expect to see me waiting in the virtually nonexistant line for an Xbox. I'll keep that in mind. : This worries... no, alarms me, because ever since I started up my little : Halo fanboi website two years back, I had vivid dreams of the game. No, : really. Not playing the game, but being a marine IN the game, only it : wasn't a game, we were fighting these damned Covies for the ringworld : one inch at a time. If I blast an unlucky Cov trooper with a 120mm tank : shell, he is going to explode and his contrails will paint the surrounding : terrain. He will not fly through the air and slide across the grass, free of : blue blood. Oni had plenty of contrails when you killed people, yet you complained about thiss earlier. : I want to scream, "Oh, yeah!" when I detonate a plastic explosive : on the overturned jeep in the midst of their ranks and watch the closest : ones reduced to kibble and the outer ones fly through the air and hit a : tree or a rock, leaving believable plasma behind. I don't want to scream, : "WTF?" when an explosive throws an enemy against the wall, or : against a window (like in Oni) and his body merely slides to the floor : supinely, instead of smashing against the wall or through the window as : was promised in the BungieVision that came with my copy of Myth II. This has nothing to do with the rating. Oni was scaled back because it was too ambitious a project for a new team. Bodies can fly through windows in Ts just as easily as Ms. : I trust Bungie. I really do. They are without a doubt the finest game : developer of all, in my opinion (Well, until Oni. Then, Blizzard with its : flawless track record looks mighty appealing, but its fanbase is mainly : composed of pre-teens and posers, like Counter-Strike), and I believe : that Halo will come out the best it could possibly be. And yet most of Blizzard's projects have been Ts. With blood, no less. : However... I would kill to see an M rating on the computer version. Someone will undoubtedly make a mod to make Halo more violent. Maybe even you. Why should Bungie narrow their market?

Message Index

Halo: Oni Revisited	noddy99	9/5/01 1:14 p.m.
Re: RIGHT ON!!!!!! *NM*	Macphisto	9/5/01 2:24 p.m.
Re: Halo: Oni Revisited	MercilessKK	9/5/01 2:29 p.m.
Re: Halo: Oni Revisited	DeAdLy_cOoKiE	9/5/01 2:57 p.m.
Re: Halo: Oni Revisited	Hethal	9/5/01 5:23 p.m.
Re: Halo: Oni Revisited	DeAdLy_cOoKiE	9/6/01 8:10 a.m.
what's with you people?	gcc -configure	9/5/01 5:35 p.m.
Re: what's with you people?	Riley	9/5/01 5:49 p.m.
Re: what's with you people?	noddy99	9/5/01 8:27 p.m.
Re: what's with you people?	Riley	9/5/01 8:49 p.m.
Re: what's with you people?	gcc -configure	9/5/01 9:20 p.m.
Re: what's with you people?	Dan Rudolph	9/5/01 11:45 p.m.
Re: what's with you people?	vector40	9/5/01 11:52 p.m.
Re: Halo: Oni Revisited	DrBill	9/6/01 10:13 p.m.
Re: Halo: Oni Revisited	DeAdLy_cOoKiE	9/5/01 2:44 p.m.
Re: Halo: Oni Revisited	Darkman	9/5/01 3:22 p.m.
Re: Halo: Oni Revisited	vector40	9/5/01 8:32 p.m.
gameplay doesn't matter, huh?	gcc -configure	9/5/01 5:38 p.m.
Re: gameplay doesn't matter, huh?	Hethal	9/5/01 6:57 p.m.
Re: gameplay doesn't matter, huh?	gcc -configure	9/5/01 7:02 p.m.
Re: gameplay doesn't matter, huh?	Riley	9/5/01 8:17 p.m.
Re: gameplay doesn't matter, huh?	Hethal	9/5/01 8:44 p.m.
Re: gameplay doesn't matter, huh?	gcc -configure	9/5/01 9:14 p.m.
Re: gameplay doesn't matter, huh?	Hethal	9/6/01 4:33 p.m.
Re: gameplay doesn't matter, huh?	ramy	9/6/01 5:35 p.m.
Re: Hey Ramy	Hethal	9/6/01 9:42 p.m.
Re:What does Ramy know ??? :-)	Dee	9/7/01 2:04 p.m.
Re: gameplay doesn't matter, huh?	Lophan	9/6/01 8:46 a.m.
Re: gameplay doesn't matter, huh?	gcc -configure	9/6/01 11:58 a.m.
Re: cool it with the language...	Lophan	9/6/01 8:19 a.m.
Re: cool it with the language...	gcc -configure	9/6/01 12:00 p.m.
Re: yuppers!	Lophan	9/6/01 1:06 p.m.
Re: Halo: Oni Revisited	Dan Rudolph	9/5/01 11:35 p.m.
Re: Halo: Oni Revisited	vector40	9/5/01 11:55 p.m.
Re: Halo: Oni Revisited	Dan Rudolph	9/6/01 12:04 a.m.
Re: Halo: Oni Revisited	vector40	9/6/01 7:16 p.m.
Re: Halo: Oni Revisited	Dan Rudolph	9/6/01 11:36 p.m.
Grrrr.	Matt	9/6/01 10:41 a.m.
watch out... he bites!!! *NM*	no7orious	9/6/01 1:30 p.m.
Re: Grrrr.	The Tiny Toad	9/6/01 3:14 p.m.
Re: Grrrr.	Darkman	9/6/01 3:23 p.m.
Re: Grrrr.	gcc -configure	9/6/01 4:27 p.m.
Re: Grrrr.	OutSource	9/6/01 3:52 p.m.
Re: Grrrr.	vector40	9/6/01 7:22 p.m.
Why no blood in Oni? Don't overanalyze...	Miguel Chavez	9/6/01 4:31 p.m.
Allow me...	chef	9/6/01 6:25 p.m.
Re: Allow me...	Louis Wu	9/6/01 8:09 p.m.
that's nonsense... i invented electricity...	gcc -configure	9/6/01 8:52 p.m.
Aoud mulsere nte qwue...	Louis Wu	9/6/01 9:01 p.m.
Re: Allow me...	vector40	9/7/01 12:00 a.m.
i sorta implied that...	Miguel Chavez	9/6/01 11:52 p.m.
Re: Grrrr.	OutSource	9/6/01 3:47 p.m.
Re: Grrrr.	vector40	9/6/01 7:18 p.m.
Re: Halo: Oni Revisited	*Ar-Isildur of *WP*	9/6/01 3:03 p.m.
Re: Halo: Oni Revisited	Forensic	9/6/01 4:29 p.m.
Re: Halo: Oni Revisited	Sound of Onion	9/7/01 2:37 a.m.
Re: Halo: Oni Revisited	ThamasTah	9/7/01 5:15 a.m.