|Re: History of the Spartans|
|Posted By: hero||Date: 11/5/01 2:38 a.m.|
In Response To: History of the Spartans (Inverted Sock Puppet)
: Ok, I don't know if any of this has been said before (or if anyone cares),
: Basically the Spartans are the freaks of the Roman Empire, they were easily
: There are some other interesting facts about the Spartans though: * The
: So, there you go. I don't know why Bungie chose to name their suits SPARTAN,
1) Sparta was a city-state in ancient Greece. (think this has been said already...)
2) Your social description is relatively accurate. The Spartans WERE the badasses of ancient Greece--because they lived for war:
At birth, babies were "culled"--those with disabilities or sicknesses were left in the wilderness to die. Spartan citizens were taken from their parents at a young age and put in boarding schools. There they were organized into social units of around 100 in number. These units were kept intact throughout their training all the way to the battlefield. The men in the Spartan phalanx had known and worked with each other from their childhoods. Food was tough but nourishing--heavy bread with a thick, dark bean soup-like thing. The food adolescents were given was just below sustenance level, with the intent that these trainees would learn to forage, steal, and scrounge their survival. Interestingly, the assumption was that they would steal, but punishment for stealing was harsh. For that fact, all punishments were harsh in ancient Sparta--so much so that during Roman times Sparta became a bit of a tourist magnet, with rich Roman citizens coming to the city to see flailings and other such cruelties.
Homosexuality developed out of the "mentorship" institution--where Spartan late adolescents/young adults graduated from their childhood boarding houses and prepared to enter Spartan society. They found themselves a respectable Spartan citizen and developed deep, paternal relationships with them; learning all aspects of life in general and Spartan life in particular. Homosexuality wasn't the rule, but neither was it exceptional. In fact, it was officially deemed honorable to have a homosexual relationship with your mentor. It was after their mentorships that they were voted into the clans--usually their mentor's clan.
A final interesting note is that the Spartan society was built on slave labor. The original inhabitants of the area were enslaved when the Spartans moved in and built their city; these original inhabitants became a slave majority called the "helots." The helots were the workforce which provided the food supply for the citizen Spartans--who spent their time training for war, as described above. This was partly out of necessity, because the helots were always ready to revolt. In fact, part of Spartan training involved letting the trainees run wild and terrorize/kill/maim/rape the helot population.
3) Although the Spartans were excessively cruel to others (e.g. the helots) it has been noted that this cruelty was applied even to their own population. I guess it could be said that they were... intense people. I'd hardly say that your "mass murdering marine" is an accurate portrayal of either the ancient Spartans or the Master Chief. I haven't got TFoR but I believe that the SPARTANS are being trained for war, not genocide. There is a marked difference between training someone to be the ultimate soldier and training someone to be a psychotic killer. And as far as the ancient Spartans...one must remember the times in which they lived. Alot of what we now view as barbaric was then within honorable conduct, especially during war.
4) On a similar note, I believe Bungie is trying to communicate the rigorous training regime and social values of the ancient Spartans in their choice of names. These SPARTANS have been severed from normal social ties and in place given a total institution, run by the government(?). Just like their ancient namesakes, the SPARTANS probably place the State above their Lives.
There's the famous story of the second Persian invasion by the Persian emperor Xerxes. Xerxes sent ambassadors to all the Greek city-states with demands of earth and water--the symbolic representation of submission on land and sea. Athens treated their envoy with tirades and speeches and sent them back. The ambassadors who were sent to Sparta were not so lucky. They were thrown down a well with the remark that at the bottom they would find plenty of both earth and water. The resulting invasion led to Thermopolye (sp?).
I have been Roland, Beowulf, Achilles, Gilgamesh.
|History of the Spartans||Inverted Sock Puppet||11/1/01 11:59 p.m.|
|Re: History of the Spartans||Harry||11/2/01 11:13 a.m.|
|Re: History of the Spartans||Tynskel||11/2/01 12:21 p.m.|
|Re: History of the Spartans||Inverted Sock Puppet||11/2/01 10:57 p.m.|
|Re: History of the Spartans||hero||11/5/01 2:38 a.m.|
|Re: History of the Spartans||Inverted Sock Puppet||11/5/01 7:41 p.m.|
|Re: History of the Spartans||Cypriana22||9/12/03 6:18 p.m.|
|It won't stop! What the hell is this? *NM*||Boomer||9/12/03 7:37 p.m.|
|Re: History of the Spartans||Annie||11/23/03 8:32 p.m.|
|Re: History of the Spartans||Speaker-To-Animals||11/23/03 9:07 p.m.|
|Re: History of the Spartans||elliott||11/24/03 6:54 a.m.|
|Re: History of the Spartans||Scifiteki||11/24/03 11:13 a.m.|
|L.O.L. *NM*||D-M.A.||11/25/03 7:33 a.m.|
|Re: History of the Spartans||Scifiteki||11/24/03 11:42 a.m.|
|Re: History of the Spartans||Tony Hawk||10/10/03 8:54 a.m.|
|Re: History of the Spartans||Scifiteki||10/10/03 4:57 p.m.|
|Cheers for calling this one sci ;) *NM*||zudo||10/11/03 3:02 a.m.|
|Re: History of the Spartans||Speaker-To-Animals||10/10/03 6:53 p.m.|
|Re: History of the Spartans||Renos||12/6/03 2:41 a.m.|
|ouch!||elliott||12/6/03 6:24 a.m.|
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