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Re: Political Structures in Marathon
Posted By: Tru7hDate: 5/27/02 3:34 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Political Structures in Marathon (Yossarian)

: I'm sorry but I'm afraid I'm foolish enough to think that its actually easier
: to at least try to talk to two people at once instead of composing two
: written messages at once.

no its 1 message after the other (each message taking 1sec to write)

: Yeah, okay, show me one example when Durandal says "Are you sure you
: want to do this" or "you can always change your mind". And
: are we not directly referred to as a slave to Durandal, just as he says he
: was a slave to humanity? Your notion of complete compliance on the part of
: the marine is complete fantasy.

Quote from M2 Manual page 13
In Marathon 2:Durandal, you are the WILLING minion of the rogue(not rouge)
computer Persona, Durandal. The root of your Loyalty is a Mystery, But none
of Durandals Orders are Challeged.

: This is because you're still under the assumption that Durandal directly
: appointed Blake to be the leader. Just because he happens to be in charge
: a number of levels into the game does not prove that Durandal bestowed
: command upon him. The fact remains that we have no way of knowing WHAT THE
: HELL HAPPENED EXACTLY that put Blake in his command position. Hell, as a
: populist leader, he may have very well been voted in by the BoB's.

ok i get your point. My idea stems from the fact that Durandal couldent take care of all the Bobs, coordinate them, take care of you (and later on fight space battle and resist spht hackers) at the same time. he needs somebody to organise the Bobs. now the appointed part is harder, yes i will admit that ther is no direct proof. but what is more probable, Durandal organisingv a big meet and having a vote for leader Bonanza or Durandal looking true the personel files picking the best candidate, taking him out of the fridge and telling him "youre the leader NOW!"

: All you seem to be saying is this: Blake appears to be in command of the BoBs
: = Blake was appointed by Durandal to specially coordinate ground
: operations.

: Whereas all I'm saying is: Blake appears to be in command of the BoBs = Blake
: appears to be in command of the BoB's.

in command of a military force compromised exclusively of ground troops is coordinating ground operations

: I'm not the one here trying to display my conjectures and long-shot
: hypotheses as solid fact.

perfectly true. im not stating that what im saying is solid facts (heck Jason Jones could say on his death bed, The marine was the energizer bunnie, and we would all look like idiots). but remember that technicaly were not disagreing, im just going farther then you.

: --"Durandal: Blake, im sending out a 12 man squad to *place*. Get your
: men at the launch room ASAP!"--

: --"well ya, Durandal is the captain and Blake brigandier General,
: Durandal gives orders and Blake carries them out as he deems proper.
: Durandal is way to occupied to take care off each detail"--

: The above quotes, supplied by you, seem to indicate that you did indeed
: perceive Blake to be awake and functioning on Boomer before Waterloo WP.
: So which is it? How can you post and try to make valid points when you
: cannot give a solid account of your position? Either support what you say
: with evidence or don't reply to the posts. How can I give an opposing
: position when you, in fact, do a better job at contradicting yourself than
: I ever could by stumbling over your own arguments?

ok ill refrase myself, day 1 is the same day as WWP not at WWP.

: You're the one calling ALL authority dictatorhip. Who's stereotyping NOW?

looks like i walked into that 1:)
ya ok. 1 point for you

anyway stereotypes are bad and we should always try to ignore them, easpeacialy when they creep up to you without you noticing it (like that)

: You have it bass ackwards. You're trying to say that power flows downward

: from the dictator where I am saying the "dictator" (your
: teachers) are given their authority from a higher level. Who does Castro
: answer to? Who did Mao answer to? True dictators hold no obligation of
: servitude to a higher level of authority. Therefore, they are free to do
: anything without consequence. This is simply NOT TRUE with the people you
: consider dictators. Your teachers cannot do anything they want whenever
: they want. They're accountable for their actions.

ya ok, Teacher=dictator is a thin parabole

: Yeah, maybe that's why thirteen-year olds can't buy alcohol, cigarettes,
: porn, firearms, drive motor vehicles, vote, or join the military. If
: they're going to act like sheep, then you have to treat them accordingly.
: Look, I didn't make the system, and even if I wanted to change it I'm just
: too apathetic and powerless to do anything about it. You can bring your
: teenaged proletariat to revolution, but I ain't gonna hold my breath
: waiting for it.

are you implying that i think its wrong???
i express myself badly, so i might of passed the wrong message.
saying that GMP are controled by big pharmaceuticals dosent mean its bad.
just like saying a product is natural dosent mean its good for you (cyanure is natural)

if i say that scool and other things are a Dictatorship, im not saying that its bad, im not even saying that a Dictatorship is bad.

Dictatorship is a political system, it isint better or worse then the others.

: There is nothing more for me to say or contribute to this thread.

just like the guy in the 20th century that said that the patent office should be closed because nothing new is gonna be invented?

-Tru7h

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Political Structures in MarathonREB 5/24/02 6:30 p.m.
     Re: Political Structures in MarathonYossarian 5/24/02 8:00 p.m.
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                 Re: Political Structures in MarathonYossarian 5/25/02 6:53 a.m.
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                             Re: Political Structures in MarathonYossarian 5/25/02 11:17 p.m.
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           Re: Political Structures in MarathonTru7h 5/25/02 6:19 a.m.
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